Incident with land owner - WWYD?

Shadeyoak said:
An open gate is an open invitation, I know of a few people who'd be happy to gallop across an empty field. Personally, I don't. I stick to the roads, and bridlepaths.
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These sort of people do nothing at all for the image of equestrians, I am with Runtoearth, why on earth should farmers have to spend their lives preventing arrogant idiots like the OP running amok over their land????

As for beating an old man with her crop............................words fail me and I hope he does press charges.
 
doesn't really sound to me like it was self defense.
Holding on to a rein does not amount to assault and needing to defend yourself IMO.
As pointed out before....keep the horse walking, he would have had to let go.
No need at all to lay into him with a whip...THATS assault!
 
Shadeyoak said:
You don't know me from adam , so don't make assumptions about me.
As food becomes more expensive especially through shortages of grain etc, it is going to become ever so more important to protect your land, so at some point securing the field is going to be the only way, you can bang your head against the wall as much as you like, there are always going to be people who will not listen.
It's the few that spoil it for the many, instead of taking it out on me, some one who DOES respect other people's property, try taking it out on those who DO trespass onto farmers land intentionally.
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People like the OP you mean?
 
Shadeyoak I can't quote but your point about food becoming ever expensive and therefore will all have to be fenced for protection one day soon (or words to that effect) had me in stitches.

How on EARTH would someone steal a wheat crop?? Go combining in the dead of night!?

Thanks for those hilarious images!! :D
 
patterdale said:
Shadeyoak I can't quote but your point about food becoming ever expensive and therefore will all have to be fenced for protection one day soon (or words to that effect) had me in stitches.

How on EARTH would someone steal a wheat crop?? Go combining in the dead of night!?

Thanks for those hilarious images!! :D
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I think she meant more for "protection" from damage (horses trodding over it, as in the argument here!) even though I dont ride I would think it mad of someone crossing a deep corn/wheat field on a horse through fear of injury (holes) en even ground etc, I would think they would be more likely to ride around the outside (I would assume the OP was doing this too). Where I live (the farmer keeps the edges of the field short for horse riders and dog walkers to walk around them). We walk our dogs round 3 lots of crop fields, we frequently see the farmers working in the fields (they never say a word):confused:
I never thought she meant people stealing it (I could be wrong) mind you!
 
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CAYLA said:
Where I live (the farmer keeps the edges of the field short for horse riders and dog walkers to walk around them). We walk our dogs round 3 lots of crop fields, we frequently see the farmers working in the fields (they never say a word):confused:
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Those headlands are not always left for walkers and riders but often for the farmer's benefit (acces, game birds etc) and you should not walk on them without either asking permission or checking you have the right to be there (which as you say they never "say a word" implies that you actually have never directly asked).
 
Blimey, thread still going strong then... :rolleyes:

jesstickle said:
And I do know the opinion of the local villager's of the OPs habits of riding on the pavements and all over the nicely mown grass outside people's houses.

There was even a cartoon about the OP put up in the local pub to this effect :rolleyes:
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So LO didn't know of OP's reputation and habits, despite it being common knowledge amongst the local villagers? If he did, why did he feel the need to ask for her details?

However, it does sound like OP was in the habit of riding roughshod over other people's land. Even if no damage was done and no one was inconvenienced, it shows a lack of common courtesy. I think the law in Scotland is more reasonable in emphasizing actual harm over theoretical principle, but I would still seek permission before entering private land on horseback here in Scotland.
 
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Clava said:
Those headlands are not always left for walkers and riders but often for the farmer's benefit (acces, game birds etc) and you should not walk on them without either asking permission or checking you have the right to be there (which as you say they never "say a word" implies that you actually have never directly asked).
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Nope, I have never directly asked, mind you one farmer I used to buy my hay from and knows me well so Im sure he was not happy he would have told me so, when he delivered my hay:), I have walked the same field since I was about 10 (played in them as a kid), there are no game birds, just hay/straw and crop. Lots of dogs walkers and horse riders walk round them.
The other 2 have public footpath, but it literally takes you right past the crop fields and the farmer often pulls in to let us past and he smiles and aknowledges us (im sure he could asks us to leave) which I would happily (aslong as they never grabbed my dogs lead and tried to tussle with me);). Lots of dogs walkers walk this these routes.
 
CAYLA said:
Nope, I have never directly asked, mind you one farmer I used to buy my hay from and knows me well so Im sure he was not happy he would have told me so, when he delivered my hay:), I have walked the same field since I was about 10 (played in them as a kid), there are no game birds, just hay/straw and crop. Lots of dogs walkers and horse riders walk round them.
The other 2 have public footpath, but it literally takes you right past the crop fields and the farmer often pulls in to let us past and he smiles and aknowledges us (im sure he could asks us to leave) which I would happily (aslong as they never grabbed my dogs lead and tried to tussle with me);). Lots of dogs walkers walk this these routes.
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It sounds like a common understanding then :) I just worry about riders who don't really check or know the land owner but just assume that access is ok as headlands look like perfect gallops.
 
Amaranta said:
These sort of people do nothing at all for the image of equestrians, I am with Runtoearth, why on earth should farmers have to spend their lives preventing arrogant idiots like the OP running amok over their land????

As for beating an old man with her crop............................words fail me and I hope he does press charges.
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But how do you know she is ARROGANT? We don't know her.....many people have said they too have ACCIDENTLY missed a sign/whatever and gone from a bridle path to a farmers land........

I have no idea what I would have done but I do know that I would have been mortified to be on private land and would then have been horrified to find someone screaming at me and taking hold of my horse!
 
OK, I don't often venture into NL and I will confess that I haven't read the entire thread (I don't have a spare 4 hours :rolleyes:) BUT, I am so mad that I need to say something!!

I am married to a farm manager. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING gives anyone the right to ride over land that doesn't belong to them. As others have said, it's like randomly walking through someone elses living room. IF you have asked permission (and been granted it!) then fine, but do so considerately.

The 'big headlands' to which you all refer are part of an environmental stewardship scheme. They may seem like grass/hay to you lot, but the farmer will be being paid to maintain them as wildlife habitats. I hope it goes without saying that horses traipsing over them is not conducive to maintaining wildlife. A farmer should not have to put notices up to warn you off - it's your prerogative to ride only where you are allowed to do so. The farmer would have been hopping mad for one main reason - those stewardship strips form part of his annual subsidy claim to the government (money that most farms cannot survive without). If the farm owner is found to be in breach of ANY part of his claim (& that includes 'trafic' on his margins) then it is possible that he will lose all the money - and hence his livelihood. This is not a minor deal, it's a massive one to him.

I am not condoning him hanging onto your horses bridle, nor the fact that he frightened you. PLEASE though consider him - potentially there's a lot of money at risk; he spends all hours trying to make things add up (my other half has worked 7 days a week, non-stop, since June. During harvest he was working 18-20 hour days and even now is still working 14+). He's probably knackered and extremely pi$$ed off that someone feels they can ride anywhere just because it doesn't say you can't.

Whilst I'm ranting, stubble fields are in the same bracket. PLEASE don't ride on them unless you have asked for permission. Nowadays they can be 'direct drilled' (ie no cultivation occurs) and you could be merrily cantering over next years crop.

Rant over - I hope you sort it out amicably.
 
Alfami said:
OK, I don't often venture into NL and I will confess that I haven't read the entire thread (I don't have a spare 4 hours :rolleyes:) BUT, I am so mad that I need to say something!!

I am married to a farm manager. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING gives anyone the right to ride over land that doesn't belong to them. As others have said, it's like randomly walking through someone elses living room. IF you have asked permission (and been granted it!) then fine, but do so considerately.

The 'big headlands' to which you all refer are part of an environmental stewardship scheme. They may seem like grass/hay to you lot, but the farmer will be being paid to maintain them as wildlife habitats. I hope it goes without saying that horses traipsing over them is not conducive to maintaining wildlife. A farmer should not have to put notices up to warn you off - it's your prerogative to ride only where you are allowed to do so. The farmer would have been hopping mad for one main reason - those stewardship strips form part of his annual subsidy claim to the government (money that most farms cannot survive without). If the farm owner is found to be in breach of ANY part of his claim (& that includes 'trafic' on his margins) then it is possible that he will lose all the money - and hence his livelihood. This is not a minor deal, it's a massive one to him.

I am not condoning him hanging onto your horses bridle, nor the fact that he frightened you. PLEASE though consider him - potentially there's a lot of money at risk; he spends all hours trying to make things add up (my other half has worked 7 days a week, non-stop, since June. During harvest he was working 18-20 hour days and even now is still working 14+). He's probably knackered and extremely pi$$ed off that someone feels they can ride anywhere just because it doesn't say you can't.

Whilst I'm ranting, stubble fields are in the same bracket. PLEASE don't ride on them unless you have asked for permission. Nowadays they can be 'direct drilled' (ie no cultivation occurs) and you could be merrily cantering over next years crop.

Rant over - I hope you sort it out amicably.
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Well said!
 
Having read some of the replies I think JK Rowling has competition for fantasy writing. Ideas such as the horse could rear up fall over and kill her - then what - strike out kill the LO - race onto a road in front of a school bus and cause and accident before slipping off a bridge onto a railway line.

Also lots of suggestions as to what the OP should say to the police.

Just tell the truth. She trespassed, LO held the horse (can't assault a horse its an animal) and she then assaulted LO. END OF
 
Caol Ila said:
Some of these scenarios you guys are making up to justify the landowner's decision to grab the horse are truly hilarious, guys.

Imagine, you're on a ride, your horse gets nervous and starts bouncing around, and some random stranger on foot decides he's going to calm your horse down by grabbing its bridle and hang on for dear life, even when you tell him to let go. I bet you'd appreciate that.
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If OP had actually been scared during the incident, surely she would have bothered to notify the police over the next week.

My guess is that this is trolling.
 
MadisonBelle said:
But how do you know she is ARROGANT? We don't know her.....many people have said they too have ACCIDENTLY missed a sign/whatever and gone from a bridle path to a farmers land........

I have no idea what I would have done but I do know that I would have been mortified to be on private land and would then have been horrified to find someone screaming at me and taking hold of my horse!
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The fact that she can see that she has done nothing wrong shows just how arrogant she is, all evidence shows that she makes a habit of riding over other people's land without permission, stupidity at best, arrogance at worst.
 
Alfami said:
ONothing, and I mean NOTHING gives anyone the right to ride over land that doesn't belong to them. As others have said, it's like randomly walking through someone elses living room.
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It's not really. Entering wide open space would not normally considered an invasion of privacy, whereas walking through someone's house would. A garden can, should and - as far as I know - is considered in the same way as a house.

IF you have asked permission (and been granted it!) then fine, but do so considerately.
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Agreed.
 
fburton said:
It's not really. Entering wide open space would not normally considered an invasion of privacy, whereas walking through someone's house would. A garden can, should and - as far as I know - is considered in the same way as a house.


Agreed.
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It is trespass nothing to do with privacy.
 
It's not really. Entering wide open space would not normally considered an invasion of privacy, whereas walking through someone's house would. A garden can, should and - as far as I know - is considered in the same way as a house.

But isn't that pedantry based on the size/level of enclosure of someone's possession? The fields BELONG to the farmer, they represent his livelihood and to him are the most precious possessions he has (or, in my husbands case, he manages (for a living), he doesn't even own them). If we agree that walking through a garden is inappropriate, where do we draw the line? I'm pretty sure Posh & Beck's garden is bigger than most arable fields - can we ride over that then? Actually, it's not a million miles away from me, perhaps I should box over there and give it a go?
 
It's not really. Entering wide open space would not normally considered an invasion of privacy, whereas walking through someone's house would. A garden can, should and - as far as I know - is considered in the same way as a house.
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But isn't that pedantry based on the size/level of enclosure of someone's possession? The fields BELONG to the farmer, they represent his livelihood and to him are the most precious possessions he has (or, in my husbands case, he manages (for a living), he doesn't even own them). If we agree that walking through a garden is inappropriate, where do we draw the line? I'm pretty sure Posh & Beck's garden is bigger than most arable fields - can we ride over that then? Actually, it's not a million miles away from me, perhaps I should box over there and give it a go? ;)
 
Alfami said:
OK, I don't often venture into NL and I will confess that I haven't read the entire thread (I don't have a spare 4 hours :rolleyes:) BUT, I am so mad that I need to say something!!

I am married to a farm manager. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING gives anyone the right to ride over land that doesn't belong to them. As others have said, it's like randomly walking through someone elses living room. IF you have asked permission (and been granted it!) then fine, but do so considerately.

The 'big headlands' to which you all refer are part of an environmental stewardship scheme. They may seem like grass/hay to you lot, but the farmer will be being paid to maintain them as wildlife habitats. I hope it goes without saying that horses traipsing over them is not conducive to maintaining wildlife. A farmer should not have to put notices up to warn you off - it's your prerogative to ride only where you are allowed to do so. The farmer would have been hopping mad for one main reason - those stewardship strips form part of his annual subsidy claim to the government (money that most farms cannot survive without). If the farm owner is found to be in breach of ANY part of his claim (& that includes 'trafic' on his margins) then it is possible that he will lose all the money - and hence his livelihood. This is not a minor deal, it's a massive one to him.

I am not condoning him hanging onto your horses bridle, nor the fact that he frightened you. PLEASE though consider him - potentially there's a lot of money at risk; he spends all hours trying to make things add up (my other half has worked 7 days a week, non-stop, since June. During harvest he was working 18-20 hour days and even now is still working 14+). He's probably knackered and extremely pi$$ed off that someone feels they can ride anywhere just because it doesn't say you can't.

Whilst I'm ranting, stubble fields are in the same bracket. PLEASE don't ride on them unless you have asked for permission. Nowadays they can be 'direct drilled' (ie no cultivation occurs) and you could be merrily cantering over next years crop.

Rant over - I hope you sort it out amicably.
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^^^^^^^^^^

this!!!!
 
birchave0 said:
but how do you know that the headland had not been sown also?
plus most importantly if there is no footpath or bridlepath why would you be on the land in the first place???
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I personally would not (I walk on a path) I stated that! 2 of the paths are like hard core, some concrete, some look like 2 lareg tractor imprints perminantly (nothing planted there)
The OP may well have riden on the land I dont know (I personally dont) however my original reply still stands, he was out of order in his action.
She to was out of order but she claims (she apologised and was leaving)
I am not saying she was right, im saying he was definately not right either:)
 
I agree that riders shouldn't be trespassing, equally farmers and their workers shouldn't be driving like plonkers around the lanes because they are 'busy', aren't we all, where riders do have a right to be.
A bit of give and take helps.
I'd hate to think that a wildlife subsidy might be withdrawn because a horse walked over it. Makes you want to shoot a badger!
 
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