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village idiot :D
Nope she's gone again - on long enough to read thread but obviously decided not to update. Ah well.
Incident with land owner - WWYD?
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Nope she's gone again - on long enough to read thread but obviously decided not to update. Ah well.
Pale Rider
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You're right Patterdale, I only intend to amuse myself, lol.
paddocktractor
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Cant believe the different views on this subject.
reading thread guess people are 50/50 on it ,which i find surprising.
1.She said she would leave and not come back,this wasnt good enough for farmer?
2.she is on her own with a animal ,farmer should of respected horse as he wasnt at fault.
3.If she was damging crops i am sure he would have mentioned this to police along with the whipping.
4.He sounds a bad tempered jumped up prat to me and got whats coming.
5.Cant people live and let live ,its nice to see a fair maiden on horse back as long as its not damging crops ,if itwas kids on motor bikes ripping it up then fair enough.
6.I am involed with farming and this time of year stubble fields are fair game and we have several horsey farmers who leave grass strips all year for horses.
7. Dont take this as i have no respect for landowner as i do,she made a mistake but he should be man enough to say ok just dont come back.
reading thread guess people are 50/50 on it ,which i find surprising.
1.She said she would leave and not come back,this wasnt good enough for farmer?
2.she is on her own with a animal ,farmer should of respected horse as he wasnt at fault.
3.If she was damging crops i am sure he would have mentioned this to police along with the whipping.
4.He sounds a bad tempered jumped up prat to me and got whats coming.
5.Cant people live and let live ,its nice to see a fair maiden on horse back as long as its not damging crops ,if itwas kids on motor bikes ripping it up then fair enough.
6.I am involed with farming and this time of year stubble fields are fair game and we have several horsey farmers who leave grass strips all year for horses.
7. Dont take this as i have no respect for landowner as i do,she made a mistake but he should be man enough to say ok just dont come back.
Alfami
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Leaving badgers out of it, that's kind of the point I was trying to make. The wildlife bit of the subsidy is a tiny percentage (for most). BUT if any single part of the agreement is not adhered to, the entire subsidy is at risk - and with it the farmer's livelihood.
I agree there are tractor-drivers out there who are ignorant when they pass horses, but my original reply was trying to convey that these are people under a lot of stress at this time of the year. We've all had bad days at work, right? Days when you've snapped over something 'small' because lots of things are getting on top of you? Add a crappy summer's weather to a poor harvest and cue one very stressed farmer. He didn't need to react as he did, no. But in my opinion the young lady could have given him her details and he would probably just have written a letter of complaint, or asked the police to warn her off.
As for the comment about 'fair maidens on horseback', words fail me.
NeverSayNever
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dont ever consider moving north of the border then, reckon you wouldn’t like it much because actually NOTHING gives you the right to stop someone up here unless you can prove damage is being caused.
stubble fields round here aren’t ever undersown either.
my family own a few hundred acres of croftland, so its not as if Im completely talking from the other side of the fence.
Alfami
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Wow! Even if they're on horseback? Surely you could stop them if they're on land managed for production (& yes, I would include grass in that). That has to be incredibly annoying. Is stubble never direct-drilled with OSR, or are you too far North for that?
NeverSayNever
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well if its managed for production and going to cause damage then no they shouldnt be there, but you cant just blanket say, get awwf my land
As the leaflets about the Countryside Access code etc say, With the rights come responsibilities No to the stubble question, occasionally its undersown for grass but tends to be if its going to be permanently changed to grazing.Marydoll
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If you follow the code, you wont enter the field where crops are growing, or if theve got livestock in them, unless its a right of way.
Im very lucky ive got 100s of acres to ride over, mainly stubble fields, but do have access to grasslands and tracks, but id still always stay to the edges unless ive asked if its ok to blast over it.
We also have access to woods and tracks but again need to careful if its breeding time for the birds, in the main it works if as a rider you obey the rules and talk to the people who's land you want to ride over.
Im very lucky ive got 100s of acres to ride over, mainly stubble fields, but do have access to grasslands and tracks, but id still always stay to the edges unless ive asked if its ok to blast over it.
We also have access to woods and tracks but again need to careful if its breeding time for the birds, in the main it works if as a rider you obey the rules and talk to the people who's land you want to ride over.
bonny
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Horseback, walking or cycling we are free to go wherever we like here and surprisingly it works ! Also in answer to your Posh and Becks question, gardens are only off limits if they are garden sized, celebrities have gone to court to argue that people should be barred from their estates and as far as I know have all lost.
OWLIE185
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I am a land owner who is in receipt of single area payments etc. There is absolutely nothing in the conditions that prevent horse riders from riding on wild life field margins and in fact I allow it. I have never suffered any damage caused by horse riders and in fact I enjoy seeing horse riders riding accross my land.
paddocktractor
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Think all agreed that to damage crops, etc is wrong and if you are not welcome you keep away.
Been a grumpy farmer or worker is no defence ,most people have stress to deal with.
If i was a privileged to own a large estate farm ,i hope i would let it benefit others and wildlife aswell as myself.
What about the hunts ,that would make grumpy farmer boil
Been a grumpy farmer or worker is no defence ,most people have stress to deal with.
If i was a privileged to own a large estate farm ,i hope i would let it benefit others and wildlife aswell as myself.
What about the hunts ,that would make grumpy farmer boil
bonny
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Brilliant post and well said. The excuse of losing payments is used by farmers as another reason to stop people going on land. Why should they recieve money for leaving land vacant and still stop other people enjoying the countryside ? If only more landowners felt like you the world would be a better place.
NeverSayNever
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Think all agreed that to damage crops, etc is wrong and if you are not welcome you keep away.
Been a grumpy farmer or worker is no defence ,most people have stress to deal with.
If i was a privileged to own a large estate farm ,i hope i would let it benefit others and wildlife aswell as myself.
What about the hunts ,that would make grumpy farmer boil
how lovely to hear! You sound more like the farmers round us! I regularly get waves from the guys working round here in tractors and they often turn off the engine for us to pass, even in their fields
Miss L Toe
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Nothing gives people the right to walk over land, well neversaydie, do you never go out for a walk round the farm?
After all if your OH was working in Amazon.co.uk, this would not give you the right to go in to the premises and start reading the books.
After all if your OH was working in Amazon.co.uk, this would not give you the right to go in to the premises and start reading the books.
Miss L Toe
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I don't think OP mentioned a field of wheat, did I miss a posting?
Equilibrium Ireland
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I kind of want to know what kind of whip was used because that is confusing me. I, wanting to see how kind the racing whips were here, slashed myself a good few times on bare legs. Nothing, nada. Slight red mark
Irishdan
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Owlie - I think I love you LOL!! What a breath of fresh air
The thing that seriously gets my back up is the attitude of the LO/Farmer/Land Manager etc on approaching trespassers. Im sure a lot more could be achieved doing things in a calm way than shouting and swearing from the word go, as many do. After my incident with my little irrate, red faced farmer with serious anger issues I spoke to the Police who in turn were quite concerned about his aggression given that he was a fire arms holder!!
The laws in Scotland make perfect sense to me and allow everyone to enjoy the countryside
Miss L Toe
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Sorry, is OP an underage person now, if so she should not have been out on her own, perhaps her parents should be charged with child neglect. If she can't handle herself she should stay in the manege.
Equilibrium Ireland
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Geez, I hate getting cut off!
Anyway, while everyone is busy defending a non posting could be land owner, I just want to know the whip used. Because as much as maybe her story doesn't add up why do we assume he's the victim and what he says is the truth? I mean was he naked? The weather has been crap. Even a dressage whip isn't going to leave marks on the back as described with a jacket. Maybe a T shirt. And all on his back? Pretty good aim in the heat of the moment. You'd think he'd have been struck at least once in the face. But hey if I need to hurt myself probably not gonna wail on myself in the face. Back, yeah, I can handle that.
You know, devil's advocate and all. It's not just for the OP you know.
Terri
Anyway, while everyone is busy defending a non posting could be land owner, I just want to know the whip used. Because as much as maybe her story doesn't add up why do we assume he's the victim and what he says is the truth? I mean was he naked? The weather has been crap. Even a dressage whip isn't going to leave marks on the back as described with a jacket. Maybe a T shirt. And all on his back? Pretty good aim in the heat of the moment. You'd think he'd have been struck at least once in the face. But hey if I need to hurt myself probably not gonna wail on myself in the face. Back, yeah, I can handle that.
You know, devil's advocate and all. It's not just for the OP you know.
Terri
Miss L Toe
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Horses, bikes, carriages, and people have the right of access, but I have to tell you that it is not as easy as that, one has to behave and cause no damage, so cantering in a group through a herd of cows would cause damage, also there are not that many routes to take, as all farms are surrounded by their own fences, so one can't go from farm to farm across the land, also bogs are unsafe.
The average horse owner would not know a newly harvested grass field from undersown OSR, or winter wheat, so really they have to stick to obvious fields, which usually start and end on roads. The farm roads often end up in farmyards , this invades privacy, so they are not much use as far as hacking is concerned. Also the BHS do not want to trample on anybody's toes, so don't do anything to ensure that access is part of planning applications eg on windfarms.
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CAYLA
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how lovely to hear! You sound more like the farmers round us! I regularly get waves from the guys working round here in tractors and they often turn off the engine for us to pass, even in their fields
Ditto ^^^^ and how refreshing, you also sound more like the farmers where I live too
Miss L Toe
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Intermittent pooping creates biodiversity.
Miss L Toe
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Clean Air Act 1977?yes, if it was in self defence and trying to get away, he was warned to let go. annnnnyway, round in circles. That’s my take on it, am off to burn round some stubble
NeverSayNever
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eh?????????
Miss L Toe
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I have seen people combining at night, they are worse than travellers, out there with their John Deere coveralls, and their wellies bought from a CountryStore, headlamps set to "dazzle", I believe they have GPS and in-cab radio as standard.Shadeyoak I can't quote but your point about food becoming ever expensive and therefore will all have to be fenced for protection one day soon (or words to that effect) had me in stitches.
How on EARTH would someone steal a wheat crop?? Go combining in the dead of night!?
Thanks for those hilarious images!!
Miss L Toe
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You can't just go around burning stuff, this is not a third world country, next thing you know, farm managers' wifes will be taking a walk round the farm, tresspassing on land they don't own.
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Dry Rot
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Can't help thinking the press are going to have a field day when they pick up on this story...if they haven't done so already!
Will that really enhance the image of the horse rider in the eyes of Joe Public?
Half are going to think "arrogant bitch" while the rest will think "arrogant landowner"!
The press can't lose either way!
Will that really enhance the image of the horse rider in the eyes of Joe Public?
Half are going to think "arrogant bitch" while the rest will think "arrogant landowner"!
The press can't lose either way!
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NeverSayNever
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burn baby burn !!
not sure if the emissions of my horse come under this act, but her noxious gasses will offend the farm managers wife for sure !
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paddocktractor
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The war between man and horse ,car and horse was not started by this thread cant think that it will have a great public intrest.
My horses image is clean hasnt even got a tatto hes a good boy
Miss L Toe
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That's all a bit confusing, was this fair maiden dressed as Lady Godiva?, was she in drag, and was the farmer was upset by this "man up" business.
Is it only fair maidens who are to be allowed to ride on white palfreys, so dark skinned old hags have to keep off?