Incident with land owner - WWYD?

Miss L Toe said:
That's all a bit confusing, was this fair maiden dressed as Lady Godiva?, was she in drag, and was the farmer was upset by this "man up" business.
Is it only fair maidens who are to be allowed to ride on white palfreys, so dark skinned old hags have to keep off?
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Yes i am very confusing,
i would kick all drag artists and old hags of my land except on christmas day.
Hope this thread isnt decending to drizzle.
I wouldnt be on here if i handnt fell off horse while whipping a tresspassing peasant .
P.S the wife is taking my boy hunting tomorow ,while my broken bones mend.
 
paddocktractor said:
. the wife is taking my boy hunting tomorow ,while my broken bones mend.
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Lift up your bed and walk, is it aggravated man flu?
..............imho, men should be out there, working properly, at least hard enough to allow their wives to have their own horses.
P.S. I felt this "the wife" expression contributed significantly to my first divorce, I realised that he thought I was in the same category as "The Dog" and "The Farm"
So he was relegated to the same category as "the pain in the ass"
 
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OWLIE185 said:
I am a land owner who is in receipt of single area payments etc. There is absolutely nothing in the conditions that prevent horse riders from riding on wild life field margins and in fact I allow it. I have never suffered any damage caused by horse riders and in fact I enjoy seeing horse riders riding accross my land.
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I beg to differ. Read the management codes for every option that applies to your margins under either ELS or HLS - preventing unnecessary 'traffic' is on the list. Read also your Cross Compliance booklet and you'll see that contravening stipulated management agreements puts your SFP (note, not area payments anymore - and haven't been for quite some time) at risk. Anyone who follows a law-abiding hunt should be able to back me up - frequently we're asked NOT to ride on a grass margin, for exactly the reasons mentioned above.

If you allow riding on yours, then (as a horse rider) good for you, but only if you are happy to put that SFP cheque at risk.

D'ya know what though? Whole post has got silly now. I tried to offer an explanation as to just why the LO mentioned in the original post was just so angry. Farmers are not (all) miserable ba$tards trying to remove horses from their land just because they can. We'd all like to live in harmony, but sometimes people just don't make that possible.

I'm off to ride over the grounds of Beckingham Palace................
 
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Alfami said:
I beg to differ. Read the management codes for every option that applies to your margins under either ELS or HLS - preventing unnecessary 'traffic' is on the list. Read also your Cross Compliance booklet and you'll see that contravening stipulated management agreements puts your SFP (note, not area payments anymore - and haven't been for quite some time) at risk. Anyone who follows a law-abiding hunt should be able to back me up - frequently we're asked NOT to ride on a grass margin, for exactly the reasons mentioned above.

If you allow riding on yours, then (as a horse rider) good for you, but only if you are happy to put that SFP cheque at risk.

D'ya know what though? Whole post has got silly now. I tried to offer an explanation as to just why the LO mentioned in the original post was just so angry. Farmers are not (all) miserable ba$tards trying to remove horses from their land just because they can. We'd all like to live in harmony, but sometimes people just don't make that possible.


I'm off to ride over the grounds of Beckingham Palace................
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Traffic covers things like regular use by a tractor and trailer, not one horse ridden by a lady rider.
 
Miss L Toe said:
Traffic covers things like regular use by a tractor and trailer, not one horse ridden by a lady rider.
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Again, I'm afraid I beg to differ. What it actually says (& I'm quoting directly from the handbook. This is for ELS which is the less onerous of the two), depending on which option has been undertaken is

"......there should be no tracks, compacted areas or poaching".

Now, speak to a Natural England advisor (& they're the guys that run the scheme) and you'll find out that this means no access by anything likely to leave a track (that includes a horse), anything likely to squash the soil (yep, that'll include a horse) and anything likely to cause poaching (horses are very good at this, but admittedly only in the wet).

I suspect that if you were the only individual to ride along a margin, once, you may get away with it in a court of law. But is it worth it? How was the original LO to know that she'd only been there once and wasn't likely to do it again unless he challenged her? We weren't there, nobody other than the two individuals involved can make any assumptions about the conduct of the LO or indeed the rider.

As for whoever it was who said something along the lines of 'why should farmers get paid for doing nothing', I have no intention of starting the debate here (it's not appropriate for this forum) but if you'd like a lesson in European agricultural economics, feel free to PM me.

Can you tell I'm cross now?
 
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Miss L Toe said:
Lift up your bed and walk, is it aggravated man flu?
..............imho, men should be out there, working properly, at least hard enough to allow their wives to have their own horses.
P.S. I felt this "the wife" expression contributed significantly to my first divorce, I realised that he thought I was in the same category as "The Dog" and "The Farm"
So he was relegated to the same category as "the pain in the ass"
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you sound familer ,you not my wife are you?
I was stupid enough to fall off broke collarbone and ribs and very brusied pride:(
Wife has got her own horse we have five at min.
I promise i dont put her in the dog and home category as the dog cant cook and the house wont clean itself
 
Contrary to popular belief the so called Scottish "right to roam" does not give an individual the right to walk/ride/bicycle "pretty much anywhere" and certainly does not permit persons to "roam" in another's garden.
 
Excellent posts, Alfami, you saved me a lot of typing :)
I would like to raise one point, though... there is nothing wrong with removing/barring people from your land just because you can. Basically, it's yours and you don't want people on it, it's perfectly understandable to me.
I have no rights of way over my land, I ride my horses in some of my fields, I am not happy for others to do so, or actually, I will share my fields when they share my mortgage payments :D
 
martlin said:
Excellent posts, Alfami, you saved me a lot of typing :)
I would like to raise one point, though... there is nothing wrong with removing/barring people from your land just because you can. Basically, it's yours and you don't want people on it, it's perfectly understandable to me.
I have no rights of way over my land, I ride my horses in some of my fields, I am not happy for others to do so, or actually, I will share my fields when they share my mortgage payments :D
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I need a 'LIKE' button. I'm going to sign off now. I really need to get a life - why does this stuff wind me up so much? :rolleyes: Wine anyone?
 
I manage miles of field margins and els ,i contract spray them.
I THINK (alfmai) they can cut them every third year shame they cant be baled what a waste but thats the EU for you,
I have seen some with cx jumps on them(i know its not allowed but ive seen it) ,i have never heard of any non payments because of horse damge or been kicked off sfp.
Alfmai i understand where you are coming from ,but think that this whole thread is about respect for each other farmer and rider and except people make mistakes
 
jesstickle said:
Now, not wanting to sound smug but I did tell you so!!

:p :o :D

Now everyone who disagreed with me, how can I expect your apology? :p

ETS; amazing detective work their joelb :D
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Go on, feel smug, I do! :D
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Jess - seriously I would screenshot both the initial post in this thread in the quoted one and the more recent 'revelation' and make sure that the farmer has a copy of them. It really is people like this that give horseriders a bad name.
 
rhino said:
Jess - seriously I would screenshot both the initial post in this thread in the quoted one and the more recent 'revelation' and make sure that the farmer has a copy of them. It really is people like this that give horseriders a bad name.
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Is that not meddling? I don't know if it is or not really.
 
jesstickle said:
Is that not meddling? I don't know if it is or not really.
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I wouldn't hesitate if it was someone I knew.. Have been reading a few of OP's other posts - just got to the one where she happily admits using her phone/texting when she's riding as she 'doesn't care what drivers think of her' :mad: Seems like the accusations of being arrogant are completely justified.
 
Can't quote but totally agree with Rhino. She needs to be stopped before she gives all riders a really bad name.

I'm starting to hope she's too arrogant to apologise so she then finds out what the worst that can happen legally actually is.

No wonder the poor landowner was cross, he's probably seen her many times. :(
 
Smart work Joelb.

I just wondered how some people were fooled anyway, her initial post gave all the clues of an arrogant, rude rider.
Beating an old man with a whip was a bit of a give away too.
 
hessy12 said:
Loving the replies!

Mine - feed polos to my lad daily.
Smack him (NOT beat) if he's naughty. (same as kids really, but I believe that I now banned, so should I be in prison?)
Change rugs looses in field.
Dismount the wrong way (swing leg over withers)
Trot or canter on people's lawns in front of their houses. (the bit between the wall and the road).
Trespass all over private land (catch me if you can)
Swear (politely) at farmers who tell me to get off their land.
The rest are MUCH too wicked to say in public.
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Oxymoron... from a moron :rolleyes:

Jess, people like this are utterly detrimental to the active campaigning some people do and to the efforts of the rest of us to at least keep the peace and go by the rules - things are hard enough! I can see why you'd hesitate but in this particular situation, I'd seriously consider passing this on to anyone 'useful' if you are so able.
 
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