Incident with land owner - WWYD?

Jess: In your position, I would not hesitate to pass on copies of what the OP has written. She sounds like a nasty piece of work who deserves what comes to her. I hope she gets charged with assault. Poor man :(
 
This isn't a silly little teenager who will grow up and realise she's been acting like, well, a silly little teenager.

This is a woman of nearly 40 with children/teenagers of her own. Great example to set to them!
 
For restorative justice the offender has to admit some guilt before the mediation meeting is made, so have you admitted some guilt already ? also how did the police know how to find you when you didn't give details ?
 
fair enough guys, she does sound like a real madam who gives riders a bad name:(. I still think the LO did the wrong thing trying to detain her, he should have called the police.
 
Just because this woman was wrong does not mean the LO was right.

Yes she sounds like a total idiot, but what if it had been someone else.

Would you think he was right if it had been another girl or woman who had made a genuine mistake.

If someone did that to my daughter while out riding our warmblood I would be bloody furious.

Even I would have felt threatened and I am well used to abusing behaviour at work. Difference there is there are people around.

Sorry but I still think his behaviour was very wrong
 
If the account OP gave originally was right, then LO would indeed be in the wrong (while she would also for having been there in the first place).

However, not only are there two sides to every story but it seems from many posts since that OP may have been somewhat economical with the truth - and if she had somehow by an extraordinary coincidence have cried wolf at some point, she can't say she's helped herself.

We can only go on that when responding - just as we can only go on what the OP says as well and give informed opinions with the disclaimer that goes with using forums that it could all be guff in RL.
 
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alidegg said:
FWIW, she can't have been that concerned about the horse's mouth as per the original post as she regularly rides in a pelham with just the curb rein (no roundings). I have encountered her out hunting (same pack) and can verify the local opinion Jess gave of her...
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By the sound of it, she should have an ASBO against her, I'm surprised the whole village haven't given her one already, she sounds a real pain in the arse.
 
Who is to say she didnt try to trample the poor man. I would definitely print that out...it shows previous and long standing behaviour...and a great deal of smug pride in what she does.
 
Well ha ha bl**dy ha.

Am amazed at the people that did get taken in, OP smacked of arrogance and self justification.

Plus old man beating.

I hope she sees this and it makes her think about her behaviour. Gives us all a bad name, and just plays up to the stereotype of horsey ladies thinking that they are above everybody else.

Jesstickle, it might be awkward todo but I hope you do somehow make the LO aware of these posts. :)
 
OWLIE185 said:
I am a land owner who is in receipt of single area payments etc. There is absolutely nothing in the conditions that prevent horse riders from riding on wild life field margins and in fact I allow it. I have never suffered any damage caused by horse riders and in fact I enjoy seeing horse riders riding accross my land.
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Are you on a stewardship scheme? AFAIA these insist that the ground is not cut up, they are anti horse and anti cattle. They cover the cost of (very expensive) wild flower seeding, hedge planting, etc. They dictate when you can and can't mow (not allowed until July), amongst other things. It's worth a lot of money to the LO but there are many rules and restrictions. Nothing to do with the single farm payment at all.
 
Not the first time this sort of thing has happened. The one about the teenager burning the OP's horse with cigarettes took me in, as well as this one.

Nice piece of investigation on this one, well done.
 
rockysmum said:
Just because this woman was wrong does not mean the LO was right.

Yes she sounds like a total idiot, but what if it had been someone else.

Would you think he was right if it had been another girl or woman who had made a genuine mistake.

If someone did that to my daughter while out riding our warmblood I would be bloody furious.

Even I would have felt threatened and I am well used to abusing behaviour at work. Difference there is there are people around.

Sorry but I still think his behaviour was very wrong
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^^ This, she is obs a fool but so is he, they sound as bad as each other.
Does anyone know how the meeting went?:p
 
Kallibear said:
By the sound sound of it, it was no 'mistake' and something done knowingly and repetatively. It's just she got caught this time. I know people (often teenage riders) who will ride just about anywhere as long as it's fun, regardless of bad manners or permission. They give everyone else a bad name.
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Yes I think you are right, it was not a mistake - she should not have been on the land.

I have a horse that will rear up and possibly flip over if someone grabs the reins, so I really do understand why this is an issue, I would not like it at all.
 
Maybe he had his hand on the rein because all the other times he'd seen her (i'm thinking this is probably not a one off offence) she had swore at him and rode off, like she says she does in that other post.

Lol @ rockeysmums comment of them assaulting the police :D
 
I think the 'catch me if you can' part of her post on the other thread makes it completely clear as to why the landowner would have held on to her rein. I'd assume from the cagey way her OP was written that she knew that too!
 
rockysmum said:
Just because this woman was wrong does not mean the LO was right.

Yes she sounds like a total idiot, but what if it had been someone else.

Would you think he was right if it had been another girl or woman who had made a genuine mistake.

If someone did that to my daughter while out riding our warmblood I would be bloody furious.

Even I would have felt threatened and I am well used to abusing behaviour at work. Difference there is there are people around.

Sorry but I still think his behaviour was very wrong
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I suspect that your daughter

a) Would not have put herself in this position

and

b) Would not have been rude (which I would imagine this particular Darwin Award nominee was) to the LO
 
marmalade76 said:
Are you on a stewardship scheme? AFAIA these insist that the ground is not cut up, they are anti horse and anti cattle. They cover the cost of (very expensive) wild flower seeding, hedge planting, etc. They dictate when you can and can't mow (not allowed until July), amongst other things. It's worth a lot of money to the LO but there are many rules and restrictions. Nothing to do with the single farm payment at all.
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We are in the higher level stewardship scheme - every inch of the farm has to be grazed in a certain way, hedged, fenced, cut etc etc in a certain way. Basically to receive any grant money you have to follow an extremely rigid set of rules (which seem to change yearly). Unfortunately we are massively in debt due to this scheme which is grant aided. The prices were set about 5 years ago and you get only a percentage towards the works demanded and yet if you dont follow the schedule you are fined a percentage of the grant - go figure!

However this does involve grazing both cattle and sheep to enhance the pastures/wildlife/flora and fauna and absolutely no mention of horses.

That said, I have only skim read this thread but if any ignorant horse rider rode through my pregnant ewes/in calf heifers and upset them where there is no public access, I too would be grabbing hold of their bridle and sending them on their way - politely obviously :p
 
Yup, seems OP is a disaster. Good detective work HHO's!

One of my favorite sayings is "form is temporary, class is permanent". In her case, lack of class is permanent.

Very sad indeed. I did pro OP's cause against farmer, but never condoned the trespassing. I thought it was 2 separate instances to be honest. I know roaming rights are are in effect over in England and I don't fully understand. But for me my rules are, don't own it, rent it, or have permission, I don't go there. Simple.

Terri
 
OWLIE185 said:
I am a land owner who is in receipt of single area payments etc. There is absolutely nothing in the conditions that prevent horse riders from riding on wild life field margins and in fact I allow it. I have never suffered any damage caused by horse riders and in fact I enjoy seeing horse riders riding accross my land.
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no they don't affect SFP, but they do impact on ELS/HLS payments as grass margins are intended to be left alone, by everything.
 
For those that cannot be bothered to read the other thread....

Hessy QUOTES!

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Loving the replies!

Mine - feed polos to my lad daily.
Smack him (NOT beat) if he's naughty. (same as kids really, but I believe that I now banned, so should I be in prison?)
Change rugs looses in field.
Dismount the wrong way (swing leg over withers)
Trot or canter on people's lawns in front of their houses. (the bit between the wall and the road).
Trespass all over private land (catch me if you can)
Swear (politely) at farmers who tell me to get off their land.
The rest are MUCH too wicked to say in public."
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The rest are FAR too wicked to say in public.........mmmmm....leave you wondering doesn't it.
If I lived in that particular village and she rode across my lawn, I would have likely dragged her off said horse and beaten her with her own whip!

ETA: And just HOW does one swear "politely"?????
 
Funny thing is why in the world did she post about this incident? If there is one thing we all know about forums it's there is always at least one super sleuth that will pull up your history! I mean come on!

I almost dreaded the fact I saw that I replied before OP. I was like ok, what was I guilty of doing? My reply was boring as it was truthful. How dare I only brush a couple of times a week.

Still I did defend the OP only because I thought farmer was out of line but I also felt trespassing is not cool. I'm really against riding on anything belonging to someone else. I have respect for other people's things. I also almost never ride with a stick so I can't see me lacing anyone. But I have been in a situation I couldn't get out of that has stayed with me so if threatened, I'm doing what I have to. But having said that I most certainly do not look for trouble nor do I act like a **** towards others. It's not cool.

I hope OP cops on. She deserves what she gets.

Terri
 
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