Incorrect horse or rubbish vet?????????

Victoria25 said:
Yes, we had no reason to believe he was anything but a 10 year old with a few issues. It was only when they xrayed him he said the teeth look like that of a 20 year old. Then they tried to find chip and nothing. :(
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The key word here is look like I really think you just have a horse with rotten dentition.
I do think you should have a bit more go a tracking down the chip.
If his markings are distinctive I
Really would not worry.
 
Just to say that chips DO disappear, i have no idea where they go but a lady up the road from me has had her horse chipped by the vet three times & they can't find any of them........

It is all very confusing, we had a 14.2 grey (white) pony on trial last year, he was chipped, number in passport & confirmed by vet with machine, only trouble was that the passport said he was dun & none of the markings matched!
 
It certainly does happen.

My friend bought a 12yrs old grey mare with passport, not microchipped.

She decided to get her chipped herself. Went ti vets who thought to check her first. She already had an Irish chip in - records came back that she was actually 22yrs & had a completely different name!! Friend got in touch with previous owners who were shocked that she was still alive!!!

So yes it does happen! I've not read all the replies but I would ask an EDT what he thinks - it does sound the same horse to me - maybe the chip has moved. I'd get another vet to scan for chip too xxx
 
My vet told me when scanning my section A that chips can move from the original place.Vet couldn't find one on her anywhere.
Possible the chip on your horse has move further down or something.
 
As I understand it this horse is TB from racing and therefore would have been chipped to race, went from in training > rehoming centre (why wouldn't they take the horse back when it was unrideable and going to be pts :confused:)> you. Therefore as an exracer presumably this horse has a racing record, or at least a training record which should help confirm age.

I know that several people have said that ageing by teeth is not a great science (which is true) but in this case the vet was going on root length via the xray and I'd guess this might be more accurate, especially between 10 or 20yrs that's quite a difference in terms of quantity of tooth erupted.

So I'm not sure! I'd take his history back if I were you and contact the trainer/hunt down racing pics etc.
 
ester said:
As I understand it this horse is TB from racing and therefore would have been chipped to race, went from in training > rehoming centre (why wouldn't they take the horse back when it was unrideable and going to be pts :confused:)> you. Therefore as an exracer presumably this horse has a racing record, or at least a training record which should help confirm age.

I know that several people have said that ageing by teeth is not a great science (which is true) but in this case the vet was going on root length via the xray and I'd guess this might be more accurate, especially between 10 or 20yrs that's quite a difference in terms of quantity of tooth erupted.

So I'm not sure! I'd take his history back if I were you and contact the trainer/hunt down racing pics etc.
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Hi Ester

The horse did go from the trainer to the rehoming centre. Then to a lady who promised him a forever home then to the lady I bought him from a year later. The rehoming centre never heard from anyone since the day he left and didnt know where he was or what he was doing so never had the opportunity to have him back. The lady I bought him from had bought him for her daughter (who had no interest) and looking through her pics on facebook doesnt really know much about horses and probably bought him because he was cheap! She did admit that she had over-horsed themselves. He is 16.2 and very bulky/muscly and does have a very 'cocky' attitude so I do actually believe them! I also spoke to the lasdy they had to check his back and she said he was a 'mental horse' that had issues but thought he was in the 'wrong home'.

I did ring his old trainer who confirmed the horse left him injury free, very head strong and 'just didnt want to race' but would be excellent as a general riding horse/jumper.

Ive also watched all of his races online from the usual racing websites and I would put my life on the fact its the same horse x
 
Don't think Irish chips are different, I only mentioned it as the vet was very puzzled at the chip number as it was one he was unfamiliar with - turned out it was an Irish one xx
 
well that all sounds good and I would assume the chip has gone travelling! :)

afaik each country has chips that start with a different number hence knowing the origin of the chip ;).
 
I would get a second opinion if it was me. I have had similar happen when I took over some neglected ponies in a riding school. The vet assigned to do the checks was very brusque and informed me that two of them were at least 10 years older than it said on their generic passports. He then proceeded to check my DNA tested, chipped, passported and I have owned her since she was 2 months old Section B mare who was 7 at the time and told me she was 12 so I took it with a pinch of salt. My EDT and another vet confirmed their ages as much as they could and said that bad diet and neglect can affect teeth and make aging difficult.
 
Yes, microchips do fail and also migrate, and people make mistakes when they write them down. If you have the microchip number that you thought he had, this will tell you which company's chip was used (I am not certain, but think the first 2 numbers are country specific and the next are the issuers?) and you can then confirm info with them as to who when and where etc. Your vet should know this.
The microchip number can be added after a passport has been issued so doesn't mean that he was microchipped at the date his passport was issued.
Good Luck, you clearly love him whatever his age!
 
4faults said:
. The vet assigned to do the checks was very brusque and informed me that two of them were at least 10 years older than it said on their generic passports. He then proceeded to check my DNA tested, chipped, passported and I have owned her since she was 2 months old Section B mare who was 7 at the time and told me she was 12 so I took it with a pinch of salt.
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Same. Ive been told by a vet from his teeth that my horse was older than he was, but I had him all his life so I knew the real age.

I agree, chips can move. If the markings are so distinctive and the people back to his training days say its the right horse, Id have to go with that.
 
Capriole said:
Same. Ive been told by a vet from his teeth that my horse was older than he was, but I had him all his life so I knew the real age.

I agree, chips can move. If the markings are so distinctive and the people back to his training days say its the right horse, Id have to go with that.
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We've had the same with horses we've bred, according to one dentist Gelfling is 5 :rolleyes: I mean, I like to sleep, but I don't think I've slept through 3 years of his life :p

OP sounds to me like the vet is wrong
 
I also think the vet is wrong from what you've said about his past. And to be honest TB's don't tend to age v well I'm sure he would look 20 if he was 20. I wouldn't worry about it you know his history and it all ties up :) some vets don't have a clue I've had a few clueless vets out before. If your concerned get a equine dentist out but I don't think it's worth the hassle. I'm pretty sure you would know if he was 20 :)
 
HazyXmas said:
It is all very confusing, we had a 14.2 grey (white) pony on trial last year, he was chipped, number in passport & confirmed by vet with machine, only trouble was that the passport said he was dun & none of the markings matched!
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Perfectly possible. My friends' grey horse's passport says he is dun and has white facial markings, none of which can be seen now. He was born dun (confirmed by previous owner who bred him and has photos to prove it) and has whited out with age, same as chestnut sometimes does.
 
I bought my first horse, 16 year old cob. My vet came out to do vacs and asked if his student could do a free all over health check (hella yes :) ). He asked the student to estimate his age and student went for 5 or 6 and the vet agreed, he looked a bit sheepish when I told them how old he was :)

Don't get too hung up on it.
 
The man in question ...

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Pocket_Rocket said:
I also think the vet is wrong from what you've said about his past. And to be honest TB's don't tend to age v well I'm sure he would look 20 if he was 20. I wouldn't worry about it you know his history and it all ties up :) some vets don't have a clue I've had a few clueless vets out before. If your concerned get a equine dentist out but I don't think it's worth the hassle. I'm pretty sure you would know if he was 20 :)
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Going to try and get some photos of him racing - seen the videos but where would the best place to find actual photographs?
 
For what its worth he doesn't look like a 20 year old tb who raced and then hasn't done anything cos he scared people!!
Vets are human, they make mistakes so just accept it as wrong and don't worry. Everything else seems to tie in
Xx
 
he looks fab!!! I would have a dentist out vets are normally not that great at it!! Chips do travel around the body!!! He is a beautiful boy just get on and enjoy him.

xx
 
maresmaid said:
Passport Pete? - i mean passport people - my phone makes up its own posts!
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I'm still giggling at Passport Pete. :D:D



I agree the vet's wrong. Vets do make mistakes, as I found out when one told me a stray rabbit I'd found was a young male. A day or two later it gave birth to eight babies. :o:p
 
FionaM12 said:
I'm still giggling at Passport Pete. :D:D
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Me too. You do realise that's who they'll be called, from now on and for evermore?!? :D

OP, I'd get another scan or dentist, but all evidence does point to it being the right horse. Different feeding methods will dramatically change dentition patterns (on ground/in manger, hay/chopped feed). I also think he looks lovely! :)
 
Victoria25 said:
No, we didn’t get him vetted.
My question really was to so see if such a thing is done (or if anyones heard of it) horse being shot and replaced. The markings are exactly as the passport (he’s got a very distinct funny shaped blaze).
Like I said I don’t care if he is 10 or 20 as we love him anyway
:D
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Ask Weatherbys (01933 440077) if you can get him blood typed as that is how things were done before DNA to prove parentage. All TBs would have been blood typed before chipping came in (about '99 I think) so he will be on record if he has a passport with them.
 
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