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Can anyone recommend an independent nutritionist.
I don't want someone that works for a particular feed manufacturer but someone that covers all brands and types.
Im based in Dorset, would love someone to visit the yard but i know its difficult to get booked in with one so a remote consultation is ok
Thanks
 
Is that not the nutritionist who is a fan of the vet with a big social media following who doesn’t believe that hindgut ulcers exist, or if they do that they don’t cause any problems? Also that foregut ulcers rarely cause problems?

As the owner of a now deceased horse who did have hind gut issues (confirmed by two vets inc a former very senior Leahurst vet) I wouldn’t want nutritional advice from a person who agrees with such comments.

Good dietary advice is crucial when dealing with a horse that has ulcers, whether fore or hind gut, so you need someone who recognises the issues that they cause do actually exist.
 
I haven't used her but she does come up on my FB and e mails. When I got stuck with something I saw a comment on her FB page but it was for everything except PPID. I commented on that which was part of my problem and she quickly sent me an item on messenger suggesting how it could be solved. I did as she suggested and it worked well.

Tiddlypom said:
Is that not the nutritionist who is a fan of the vet with a big social media following who doesn’t believe that hindgut ulcers exist, or if they do that they don’t cause any problems? Also that foregut ulcers rarely cause problems?

As the owner of a now deceased horse who did have hind gut issues (confirmed by two vets inc a former very senior Leahurst vet) I wouldn’t want nutritional advice from a person who agrees with such comments.

Good dietary advice is crucial when dealing with a horse that has ulcers, whether fore or hind gut, so you need someone who recognises the issues that they cause do actually exist.
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this is a very tenuous link to condemn someone simply by association. . I would want to know in detail exactly what her views are on this and why. Without that info. you really cannot make a judgment, or at least I couldn't because I would like the full story along with the evidence she bases her views on.
 
paddy555 said:
this is a very tenuous link to condemn someone simply by association. . I would want to know in detail exactly what her views are on this and why. Without that info. you really cannot make a judgment, or at least I couldn't because I would like the full story along with the evidence she bases her views on.
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Not that tenuous, but for obvious reasons and wrt to admin the forum is not the place to thrash that out.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Not that tenuous, but for obvious reasons and wrt to admin the forum is not the place to thrash that out.
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I appreciate we cannot "thrash" it out but why :not that tenuous"? I don't see why we cannot answer that question. Is there a link perhaps you have found on CM's website about ulcers? your opinion must be based on some hard evidence.
 
I have used Claire. It was an expensive pat on the back with pretty much zero suggestions for change as I was doing everything 100% right.
I don't think I would bother again with a nutritionist unless really struggling with a horse but tbh if at that stage it would be a vet job anyway.

I think we make feeding horses hard but essentially:
Great fibre
Vits & Mins

If need more than above then you add the additions depending on type/workload/age etc then you start with high quality protein in a grass nut like Emerald Horse feeds one as good value and add calories if needed in form of calorie dense like oil.
 
LEC said:
I have used Claire. It was an expensive pat on the back with pretty much zero suggestions for change as I was doing everything 100% right.
I don't think I would bother again with a nutritionist unless really struggling with a horse but tbh if at that stage it would be a vet job anyway.

I think we make feeding horses hard but essentially:
Great fibre
Vits & Mins

If need more than above then you add the additions depending on type/workload/age etc then you start with high quality protein in a grass nut like Emerald Horse feeds one as good value and add calories if needed in form of calorie dense like oil.
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My boy is currently on:
Spillers - Lite n Lean
Allen & Page - Muscle & Focus
Micronised Linseed
Happy Farrier
Propell Plus

I just want to feed something for a bit more energy, but not that will blow his brain!
 
LEC said:
I have used Claire. It was an expensive pat on the back with pretty much zero suggestions for change as I was doing everything 100% right.
I don't think I would bother again with a nutritionist unless really struggling with a horse but tbh if at that stage it would be a vet job anyway.

I think we make feeding horses hard but essentially:
Great fibre
Vits & Mins

If need more than above then you add the additions depending on type/workload/age etc then you start with high quality protein in a grass nut like Emerald Horse feeds one as good value and add calories if needed in form of calorie dense like oil.
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I guess if my horse's diets were checked it may be little more than an expensive pat on the back however it has taken me quite a while and a lot of reading to get to that stage with 2 off grass horses who had different problems. Also horses are not simple PPID and EMS make a lot of difference to diet plus of course some horses not being able to eat certain feeds eg alfalfa.

Then you get stuff like this summer which has been a drought for some ie just about no grass, feed hay, vit E? I suspect my conclusions re feeding and management would be pretty close to CMs however what I have spent a long time getting right and working out she would probably sort in an half an hour so I think it depends on the owner. Some people don't have lots of time or just want to feel confident that someone tells them what to do. A visit to your premises and horses may be eye opener for some with different idea. For others not so useful.

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I would really suggest that you look at BETA - they have just launched an independent nutritionist platform, really great idea!
 
2awesomenatives said:
My boy is currently on:
Spillers - Lite n Lean
Allen & Page - Muscle & Focus
Micronised Linseed
Happy Farrier
Propell Plus

I just want to feed something for a bit more energy, but not that will blow his brain!
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Start by adding some oil? Cheap easy way to add extra slow release energy to a feed.

Its also worth reading the ingredients of all feeds to see what they provide, is there unnecessary duplication or something missing?

For example a switch to A&P compete & condition provides a bit more digestible energy with pretty similar ingredients.
 
2awesomenatives said:
My boy is currently on:
Spillers - Lite n Lean
Allen & Page - Muscle & Focus
Micronised Linseed
Happy Farrier
Propell Plus

I just want to feed something for a bit more energy, but not that will blow his brain!
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I would add more protein. Muscle and focus is only 12%. You can up it very easily with a race horse cube or an Alfa cube which would be 18%. Depends on whether your horse tolerates Alfa. Linseed is great as a calorie dense food but I don't tend to feed it for energy. If a cube it can be soaked easily if that's your preference or 50/50 soaked/pellets. I also really rate Dodson and Horrell sport muesli. Tends to be what mine gets put onto for an upcoming 3 day later in the season when nutrition has left the grass.
Propell Plus is essentially vitamins/Mins so then I would be querying if your balancer is being fed enough as you are probably doubling up. I would probably be looking at a better vitamin/Mineral supplement. Similar with happy farrier. You are essentially paying 3x for a product to do same job and you can probably get 1 product to cover all for less money.
 
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