Instant Gratification

[Clodagh]

What I always hear is 'back in my day/a few years ago' etc etc etc

Someone who I thought was a friend didn't want to pay to use a well bred, health tested, internationally accomplished dog because we were mates, I had no more room for a pup in lieu and it was immediately assumed I would sack off my existing youngster because this would be a 'better' litter, when I asked how much they would charge for pup 'they just wanted to breed something for themselves' so I assume the rest of the litter would have been given away for free?
'When my father was in gundogs it wasn't this expensive' was the refrain.
Yeah well neither was dog food, vet bills or fuel to take them places, everything else has gone up and I'm not a charity.
Same person bought a rare trailing type breed for their kid and I'm assuming that didn't cost 200 quid.

I would pay £2000 for a pup, but like you I want one that is bred specifically to do a job. I am not experienced like you at training but I am a bit obsessive about things and if I’m working dogs, they are going to be good dogs.
Even ‘just’ a pet needs a decent temperament, an ability to cope with life and in fact if to be owned by a first time dog owner they need to be tolerant.
Health tests are vital. If I look at the costs attached to say Tawny’s breeders litter:
All bitches trained to ftw at least.
Stud fee to ftch.
Every health test available.
Pups well socialised, fed quality food, wormed etc.
Council registration ( I think about £3000 that cost her).

 

[CorvusCorax]

Just for guidance, a hybrid would be a cross between a wolf and a dog, for example, as far as I am aware? A crossbred of the same breed is just a crossbred. I think. I could be wrong.

 

[skinnydipper]

Hybrid is a term being used for "designer" crosses with purebred parents.

 

[skinnydipper]

We paid £800 each for our Labs who are now just 3 yrs old. I thought it was plenty ( actually it might have been £850).
I really can't see the point of breeding hybrids unless for a specific purpose. And I wouldn't expect the breeder to need to advertise the whole litter if they had been bred specifically.

Sorry, PaS, I may be missing your point.

If I was buying a pup then it would be one from extensively health tested parents/lines. I would expect the price to reflect that. (No prizes for guessing the breed I would choose)

Hybrids are being bred for the pet market - Labradoodles and Cockapoos to name two.

Lets take Labradoodles as an example. Both breeds have a list of known health problems and in fact share some health issues.

Poodles. Health issues include hip dysplasia, PRA, cataracts, Addisons.

Labradors. Health issues include hip dysplasia, PRA, cataracts, Addisons.

Hybrid vigour is a myth.

 

[MurphysMinder]

When puppy prices were going crazy during Covid it was generally the byb pups who were silly money , and many responsible breeders stopped breeding . I was on a waiting list for a year for my Lancashire heeler pup . I am currently on a list for a Gsd litter which isn’t due for another month . I’m on quite a few Gsd fb pages which are full of posts from people either wanting a pup “today “, or those who bought a pup the same way and are having health or behaviour problems.

 

[Clodagh]

We paid £800 each for our Labs who are now just 3 yrs old. I thought it was plenty ( actually it might have been £850).
I really can't see the point of breeding hybrids unless for a specific purpose. And I wouldn't expect the breeder to need to advertise the whole litter if they had been bred specifically.

I agree about the advertising the whole litter. Although I guess it’s likely you’ll have a couple more pups than on order? Even so why not advertise those two, for instance.
You can get £800 labs at the moment from health tested parents as sellers who missed the covid boat are now stuck.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Sorry, PaS, I may be missing your point.

If I was buying a pup then it would be one from extensively health tested parents/lines. I would expect the price to reflect that. (No prizes for guessing the breed I would choose)

Hybrids are being bred for the pet market - Labradoodles and Cockapoos to name two.

Lets take Labradoodles as an example. Both breeds have a list of known health problems and in fact share some health issues.

Poodles. Health issues include hip dysplasia, PRA, cataracts, Addisons.

Labradors. Health issues include hip dysplasia, PRA, cataracts, Addisons.

Hybrid vigour is a myth.

I was buying pure bred, health tested Labs, I have had plenty before and am not stupid. Incidentally, I wouldn't have a cockerpoo given.
My point was that extortionate amounts are still being asked for cross-breds, which may, or may not be from health tested parents. I didn't take enough notice past the headlines to be able to say.

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

I quite understand why people who want to work their dogs look for specific breeding but actually I like to be able to compare ads, rather than putting my name down for a future litter and being committed even if I don't like the look of the pups when they arrive.

Same, I’d be devastated if the only available puppies were bitches or had solid coloured heads, I really like the springer stripe and I don’t want a bitch.

Hybrid vigour is a myth.

Hallelujah, sister!

There is a groomers at my old yard. My friend, owner of Beau’s best mate, worked there. The majority of dogs were poo crosses (apparently due to the area, serious money needed if you want to buy round there) Almost all that I met were yappy and had serious undershot jaws. I doubt that most breeders of poo crosses were health testing for everything at the time (before covid)