Interesting honest advert...

Sadly, I know a few people who would think nothing of selling something that is dangerous without disclosing the facts. One woman sold her very aggressive and dangerous mare to a 15 year old girl. All she said was that 'she could be a bit grumpy in her stable'. When in fact, the horse had broken the owners ribs by striking out at her in the field with her front hooves, she had almost taken my arm off by biting me when I lent over her stable door to check she had haylage (I still have lumps in my biceps muscle ten years on), and ruptured my trainer's spleen by double barrelling her. She got £8 k for her!

A past livery of mine sold her trailer that had a rotten floor, as 'in excellent condition', even though I had pointed the floor out to her and so she no longer transported her own horse in it!
 
Have also known similar years back in a hunting yard. Ever seen a farrier vault a high stable door?? That's how bad this one was. Yet out in the field he was a saint, ridden he was a saint.. anything else was at your own peril.

Part of me says he deserves a chance with a complete change of lifestyle and management and part says its too risky, PTS.
 
Mithras said:
Doesn't sound too bad - I've known one like that before, on a jumping yard in Switzerland. I got my boy cheap because of ground handling issues and just work round them. I feel sorry for the seller that she paid 9.5k last year and then found this out, different if you pay 2k!
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I reckon she was ' had' by a SJer dealer.

Is this Woodtiger from on here ? Right discipline and right area.
 
most of the ads i've seen on PH are very honest, it's the whole point of the place and i think it's probably saved some 'dangerous' horses from the meat man over the years. This horse though i would be wary of, regardless of the neuro exams it's had being clear i'd still be wondering if there wan't a loose wire in there somewhere:(
 
Glad the owner is trying to do what's right by the horse.

Just one question though - he's described in the ad as "black". Picture doesn't agree...
 
I would tend to agree with pts

Someone I know (wouldn't call it a friend) took on a horse like this with the thinking that they were incredibly experienced and they could sort anything out :rolleyes:

The horse was far too much for them , don't get me wrong they were quite experienced but had certainly bitten off more than they could chew on this occasion , they kept the horse on a livery yard and it kicked two other people while it was there , had a go at another person but thankfully missed and also kicked the owner who was lucky as it was aiming for her head and she put her arm up just in time to take the force of the kick

What happened to the horse ?

Until I saw the pic I thought maybe this was the same horse , she sold it on and said nothing about its behaviour


For this reason if I were unlucky enought to find myself with a horse like this it Would get a bullet with out a seconds thought

These were experienced people who bought him , talking the talk promising they had dealt with worse etc etc and then failed and sold a very dangerous creature to someone very unsuspecting :(
 
Not defending horse at all, but pro yards quite often haven't time or inclination (injury = no income) to work round horses with issues. The horses have to fit in and the already unnatural life of a comp yard animal just adds to the stress on the horse.

Having said that, he's undergone extensive tests and behaviour assessments which all seem to come up with there being no reason for the unpredictability. Sadly, for him, this will be his downfall.

What would happen to him 'in the wild'? He'd probably be very successful at being what he is - a horse. However, he is totally the opposite to what we want from our trustworthy, biddable, easy-going creatures and for that, he will likely have to be euthanised.

I find this reality incredibly sad. :(
 
SwingHorse said:
With careful management including full turnout in a settled herd, non heating foods and only getting her as fit as she needed to be, never much more,
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I agree with this, the seller says the fitter he is the more difficult he is to handle, to jump well at 1.20 you have to have a pretty fit, full of energy horse!

Maybe he hasn't got much turnout and hates being in a stable, she says a pro yard couldn't handle him and maybe this is why, they often don't get much turnout at these types of yards. As someone else mentioned pro yards have a quick turnaround and if they aren't making money they are out!

The fact is that she has been honest and because of that he should be able to find a kind caring home where they can spend time taking him back to basics and building his trust.

I certainly wouldn't just "PTS" before I knew more details and if every possible situation had been tested.
 
I had a horse who was similar but not as bad on the ground. He was also at a Pro yard and on his day he could be ridden, other days he didn't want to know.

We brought him home and tried every single thing in the book to get him settled and calm but he was out of two Olympic SJ lines ( direct lines ) and nothing improved his behavior.

I think some horses are just too over bred in that people match top animals with top animals in their quest to breed a superstar with no research as to matching the temperaments and its too much for the majority that don't make the grade. They have the temperament and lets face it most top horses have a screw loose or some quirks but not all have the ability to channel it.

For some animals no amount of different ' husbandry' will change things and please don't always think a change of environment will alter things.

With the horse above I would PTS as it sounds far too dangerous for anyone to handle safely.
 
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angelish said:
I would tend to agree with pts

Someone I know (wouldn't call it a friend) took on a horse like this with the thinking that they were incredibly experienced and they could sort anything out :rolleyes: (
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I would take precautions and try and improve him before pts. Theres much worse out there...

Many sharp competition horses can develop bad habits like this after being on a variety of different yards and experiencing rough inconsistent handling. My boy would do the stamping thing in an instant, even with me, if I poked him violently to get over in the stable, prodded him with brooms, roared and shouted at him, all of which some of these horses have had to put up with. He would turn on you and strike out with his front feet, its defensive, and yet he's gradually lost it in the 3 years I've had him and is not dangerous to handle or even that difficult now. So you can try different techniques for different horses, distraction, different envionment, cross-tieing, avoiding stabling, lots of different things. Yet its amazing how many people that think that because he's a big horse, its ok to poke him and push him about and shout at him before he's done anything wrong. But I always lead him in a bridle, which tbh is the correct way of leading a horse anyway, particularly a big, fit competition horse.

So many of these horses improve on proper turnout too, which they don't often get in professional yards, and with one person dealing with them.
 
Mithras I 100% agree with your post, I used to show no reaction to my boy reared and boxing down on you, I always lead him in a chifney and took every safety precaution. The people who had my boy before would try to hit and scream at him which escalated him.
 
Wonderfully honest advert, and what an owner for trying so hard to get to the bottom of it. I think as the owner, this advert would be my last hope: if no one suitable came forward, I'd have him PTS. Essentially I'd need peace of mind, so if a potential new owner didn't inspire enough confidence to give me that, I'd need to have him euthanased. I do wonder what the NH report says! He's definitely not black though.
 
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