Irish Draught people - Stallions.

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I am 40 this year and I already own the most amazing RID who's 11. We do a bit of everything and he's like Mary Poppins - practically perfect in every way ❤️
I was thinking I may as a special birthday present to myself get another ID to bring on, mine was VERY green when I got him and have really enjoyed training him. I contacted his breeder in Ireland who has a few youngsters for sale by two different stallions.

Does anyone know of or have any opinion of either Scrapman or Inisfree the holy grail as sires?

My horse is by Annaghdown star and is a real chunk with a huge depth of girth, which is the type I prefer.

Any comments or thoughts on these stallions?
Thank you
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Thank you! I liked the look of scrapman at first glance and he looks to have the better movement. Thanks for the links x
 
I am not sure if he is still alive but Ballybane Shamrock IDSH (ID x TB) stood in Cheshire and comes from first class stock both ID and TB. Fabulous temperament and competition potential can be expected from the progeny. Some times hard to find both together.
 
I'm not a fan of Scrapman, much prefer the other from the standing up photos. Have you had a look at Gortfree Hero? He can really move and jumps too.
 
The breeder I got my horse from has youngstock by Scrapman and Inisfree holy grail. Which is why I was looking for thoughts on those stallions.

What is it about Scrapman you don't like?
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It so depends on the mare as well (obviously) Have you seen any other offspring of these stallions? I appreciate they won't have massive numbers on the ground, being young(ish) themselves, but it gives you an idea of how influential they are?
 
For Crosstown Dancer blood you won't better Amorous Archie. He puts movement in and temperament. Yet to see a poor Amorous Archie and he is having huge success in the show ring with his stock.
 
I've seen scrap man foals and they are lovely. .

Have a search on YouTube for the RDS stallion class. He moves beautifully and is much much nicer than that picture used on his grading report.

Fiona
 
Fiona said:
I've seen scrap man foals and they are lovely. .

Have a search on YouTube for the RDS stallion class. He moves beautifully and is much much nicer than that picture used on his grading report.

Fiona
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Thank you! His grading report was very complimentary about his movement.

I am looking at those two stallions as the breeder of my current ID has youngstock by them. X
 
OP in answering your question (!) I would prefer Scrapman for the type you want, out of the two. I would want to see the mare though, for any of the individual youngsters you are considering.

We have 2 with Annaghdown Star bloodlines - one by him and one out of a mare by him. Neither are particularly deep bodied - in fact, both are (comparatively) on the leg.

Our Huntingfield Rebel, however, is the classic deep girthed, short backed old fashioned type
 
spacefaer said:
OP in answering your question (!) I would prefer Scrapman for the type you want, out of the two. I would want to see the mare though, for any of the individual youngsters you are considering.

We have 2 with Annaghdown Star bloodlines - one by him and one out of a mare by him. Neither are particularly deep bodied - in fact, both are (comparatively) on the leg.

Our Huntingfield Rebel, however, is the classic deep girthed, short backed old fashioned type
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Thanks, he does look like he's grown in to himself in the 2015 stallions show on you tube.
My Annaghdown star gelding has a really deep barrel and looks in my untrained eye quite stocky compared to some I have seen.
I am no expert, I have fallen in love with the breed after accidentally buying my boy 3 years ago when I was after a TB! I couldn't imagine having another breed of horse now! X
 
JillA said:
Check out Embla Stud near Stafford - they have a website http:/www.emblastud.co.uk but there is a Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/EMBLA-STUD-435935399898103/ Yvonne, the daughter, hunts their homebred ID and IDXs so they are bred to work and also for temperament.
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Just be aware that none of the ID stallions are graded - which means their progeny are not recognised as 'proper' Irish Draughts. All because of a fall-out with IDHS(GB). For breeding hunters it doesn't matter - they're good stallions - but progeny would be excluded from ID classes and grading.

I have to say I'm an enormous fan of Avanti Amorous Archie. I originaly selected him to use on my daughters of Lady's Tralee Raj - and Archie is a bay duplicate of Raj - temperament, type AND movement. I've been sing him for 7 years now and had about 30 foals by him.

The two mentioned in the OP I don't know in terms of their offspring - I certainly like the breeding of Inisfree The Holy Grail . Neither OOZES type - but they might have been 3 or 4 when graded so not quite as deep as a Class 1 stallion should be.
 
JanetGeorge said:
Just be aware that none of the ID stallions are graded - which means their progeny are not recognised as 'proper' Irish Draughts. All because of a fall-out with IDHS(GB). For breeding hunters it doesn't matter - they're good stallions - but progeny would be excluded from ID classes and grading.

I have to say I'm an enormous fan of Avanti Amorous Archie. I originaly selected him to use on my daughters of Lady's Tralee Raj - and Archie is a bay duplicate of Raj - temperament, type AND movement. I've been sing him for 7 years now and had about 30 foals by him.

The two mentioned in the OP I don't know in terms of their offspring - I certainly like the breeding of Inisfree The Holy Grail . Neither OOZES type - but they might have been 3 or 4 when graded so not quite as deep as a Class 1 stallion should be.
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Which is a shame. I love the Embla horses, my best Draught was an Embla George x Embla Daisy (Colman) what a horse he was, almost 18h. light on his feet and found dressage so easy. Miss him dearly.
 
It's difficult Pilip to make a recommendation from those stallions as they're both young, not established and don't have adult stock on the ground.

Both of them though are what is considered in Ireland to be more traditional draught types. Very well built and stocky they would not be the types expected to bring 'quality' as much as a number of other successful ID sires. But then it depends on what you're looking for, quality is desirable in horses that will be more performance orientated, and I don't mean just top level.

Just to throw your options open for you, take a look at these three stallions, that have been champions and are producing some really nice horses.

First up: Cappa Casanova, three times stallion champion in Dublin and getting really nice youngsters.
http://www.cappastud.com/cappa-cassanova-class-1-rid.php

Can you see what I mean by quality, compared to the other two stallions you asked about. This lad is very well put together and he's not a big brute of a horse but there's no lack of power there. Sire and grand sire both international show jumpers.

Next is Young Carrabawn:

http://idhba.ie/YoungCarrabawn.html

Another horse with plenty of quality and he passes it on. A winner in the show ring himself, he gets lovely looking horses and has sired a Class 1 stallion.

Huntingfield Rebel was a Dublin champion, he gets some lovely horses too and is another performance draught who brings quality.

http://www.suma-stud.com/picture_huntingfieldrebel.shtml

Buying youngsters, even draught crosses, they won't fill out til between five and six so it can be hard to judge just what you'll end up with. To give you an idea of the super youngsters Cappa Casanova is getting check out Joey. He is a four yr-old who is currently doing very well on the show circuit. I can't figure out how to attach photos so follow the link below - the fourth and fifth photos are of him.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/clas...e__unit=4831&height__unit=4902&age__unit=5497
 
Thank you everyone for all your comments!
I am just looking for a riding club horse really, if it turned was particularly talented in one discipline I would go with it, but I am not super ambitious! A good quality all rounder!
I am looking at those stallions as my current horses breeder has youngstock from those stallions. X
 
Thanks for the link Irish gal, my boy is out of Huntingfield Rebel and I've not seen that page before. Sadly he (ie sire) died a few years back. Ive seen a few of his on line when I've googled his progeny, and they all seem to move well and have a nice jump.
 
I like Scrapman ... he is almost unrecognisable from his picture of the stallion inspections. Its important to remember he was only 3 then ...and had a bit of filling out to do. The below link shows him at the RDS Dublin Horse Show last year. Some difference!

http://tinyurl.com/scrapman

I have pictures of the Inisfree the Holy Grail somewhere...from maybe 2-3 years ago. I'll try find them for you!
 
Bernster said:
Thanks for the link Irish gal, my boy is out of Huntingfield Rebel and I've not seen that page before. Sadly he (ie sire) died a few years back. Ive seen a few of his on line when I've googled his progeny, and they all seem to move well and have a nice jump.
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I have a lovely boy BY Huntingfield Rebel (not sure he could have given birth to him!) who is a real old fashioned stamp but really light on his feet and a total gentleman. Can't fault the breeding!
 
spacefaer said:
I have a lovely boy BY Huntingfield Rebel (not sure he could have given birth to him!) who is a real old fashioned stamp but really light on his feet and a total gentleman. Can't fault the breeding!
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Ooh, using the correct terminology makes it all sound a bit biological haha !
 
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