irresponsible dog owner

The dog owner is actually in breach of the dangerous dogs act by allowing their dog off lead and out of control, the dog doesn't have to bite but the fear of injury is there:

The second part of the DDA 1991, Section 3, affects all dogs regardless of breed or type. It makes it a criminal offence to allow a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place. This includes any instance during which an injury of any sort occurs or there is a fear that an injury might occur. In addition, under Section 3(3) of the Act, the owner (or person in charge at the time) of a dog can be prosecuted if an incident occurs in a non- public place where the dog was not permitted to be.

The horse rider however could have handled it alot better.

I'm a dog owner (we have 5) but my largest hazard out hacking by far is loose dogs out of control on horse routes. I have been flung from my horse fleeing a dog that charged us in the woods getting booted in the shoulder in the process and the owner asked me to go and find her dog with her who was still in pursuit of my horse, but apparently she was "horsey" so knows these things happen.
 
I really don't think that dog could be described as "out of control" on the strength of that video :rolleyes3:
 
Oh the good old over quoted, over used and completely useless dangerous dogs act. What a load of rubbish! If she thought the dog was dangerous why follow it. It was clearly just worried by the presence of the horse and barked.
 
JFTD said:
I really don't think that dog could be described as "out of control" on the strength of that video :rolleyes3:
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Of course it was not out of control it was barking and I dare say it had run up to the horse.
The rider as a matter of fact could have been said to be harassing the man as she followed him shouting when he tried to disengage .
Shes as close to breaking the law as he is.
Would it be acceptable it the rider on the horse was a man and the dog walker a woman , no it would not, therefore it's not an acceptable way to behave.
 
jenki13 said:
Hmm seems a bit odd to me.

I have just read the blurb under the video & it does say the dog had snapped at the horses legs & that the path was open access.

However I would have waited until they were around the corner then turned the horse back round & carried on, not followed him telling him I was going to call the police.
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I've only read where it says "which as far as I know is open access", so she doesn't know, maybe she did have open access, maybe not. Anyhow, I stopped watching the video a while after that she had began pursuing him and his dog, even though they where disappearing out of the view. Judging by her comments, I personally got the feeling that she did it, only to "win" the situation by making him put his dog on a lead.


MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
Some of the comments on here amaze me. She (the rider) had said to the dog-walker early on that the dog had "gone under" the horse's back feet...... so WHY TF didn't the dog owner do the sensible/right thing and put the flippin dog on a lead FFS? If he'd done that, and taken his @rse in his hand, and departed, there wouldn't have been any problem.

It amazed me that he made no effort to stop the dog barking at the horse OR keeping it under any sort of close control by putting it on a lead.

Everyone on here has had a right old go at the horse rider: her horse it has to be said, is an absolute darling, a saint. I've got a cob like that and TBH you could organise a dog-fighting pit in his stable and he'd be mega chilled about it, he's just very blase, just like the horse in the vid.

BUT...... the fact that the horse was OK doesn't excuse the dog-owner. So OK that could have been YOUR child on its pony, going ballistic; its just not funny when you're not sure if someone's dog is going to go underneath your horse's back feet and the owner patently couldn't give a stuff. There was an incident around here not so long ago when someone's dog on a piece of common land chased a couple of horses out hacking...... the horse bolted and the rider was thrown, injuring herself badly. Meanwhile dog-owner didn't even know his dog had done the deed; don't think they ever found him if my memory is correct.

So IMO whilst the horse-rider needs to do her horse a favour and calm down and chill out, I can understand WHY she was possibly so stressed by the incident. Perhaps she's been on another horse, somewhere else, and had a problem with a dog. Yes we might all have dealt with it differently, but who among us hasn't been made to feel threatened/stressed by either a thoughtless dog owner, a cyclist, a motor cyclist, or man-with-white-van going too fast.
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If the dog really did launch him-/herself towards her horse's back legs before she put on the camera, judging by what I saw on camera, it looked as if the dog didn't want to get that close to her horse.
Maybe the dog owner didn't have any intentions of putting his dog on its lead anyway, but I agree with alliersv1, "they way he was spoken to would make him less inclined to co-operate I presume." Well said, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

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Holly Hocks said:
Anyone who has any understanding of dogs can see that the dog did not appear in "attack" mode...
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MagicMelon said:
Thing is, not everyone does have any understanding of dogs! I don't really hack (because of stuff like this) but wouldn't like to come across a strange dog barking that close to my horse, what if she was on a youngster or something that wasn't nearly as chilled out as her horse? I know mine would be pretty wired about that given that they aren't used to dogs at home and we never come across them very often.

She didn't deal with it well though, but then perhaps the dog DID run under the horses legs in which case I'd be pretty angry too. Not sure why she followed though.
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But according to herself, she is used to dogs, at least she said "Im a dog walker myself and I manage to control 4 dogs at a time".


ace33 said:
The dog owner is actually in breach of the dangerous dogs act by allowing their dog off lead and out of control, the dog doesn't have to bite but the fear of injury is there:

The second part of the DDA 1991, Section 3, affects all dogs regardless of breed or type. It makes it a criminal offence to allow a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place. This includes any instance during which an injury of any sort occurs or there is a fear that an injury might occur. In addition, under Section 3(3) of the Act, the owner (or person in charge at the time) of a dog can be prosecuted if an incident occurs in a non- public place where the dog was not permitted to be.

The horse rider however could have handled it alot better.

I'm a dog owner (we have 5) but my largest hazard out hacking by far is loose dogs out of control on horse routes. I have been flung from my horse fleeing a dog that charged us in the woods getting booted in the shoulder in the process and the owner asked me to go and find her dog with her who was still in pursuit of my horse, but apparently she was "horsey" so knows these things happen.
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Many years ago, I met a person that started shouting at me and waving his arms around like a windmill, when he saw my two dogs, silently(!), sitting next to me (their behaviour had alerted me to that we were going to meet someone yet out of sight, so I had called them to me). Judging by his behaviour, he thought that they would eat him, which I presume definitely = "fear that an injury might occur". And him acting like a madman, made my two dogs start to bark to warn me about that there was a madman in front of us, which made him shout louder and wave his arms even more, which meant that I had no chance of trying to make my dogs shut up, and I just tried to get all three of us away from him as fast as possible.

My point is, that there is persons who can freak out only by seeing a dog unexpectedly. They may truly fear that a dog will harm them, but that doesn't always mean that the dog has actually done anything wrong.


And just commenting in general, I want to say that I don't understand why a species like ourselves, who often have a habit of talking, are sometimes so anti other species talking, expecting that they should have an on/off mute button.

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Ok maybe he should of put it on a lead but to be honest, the way she was going on and on (loving the sound of her own voice) no wonder he walked away! Why did she follow him? The dog was barking but it was following its owner still. I see her point in a way but I think she dealt with it like an idiot.

Lovely pony though standing so calm throughout it all.
 
FinnishLapphund said:
And just commenting in general, I want to say that I don't understand why a species like ourselves, who often have a habit of talking, are sometimes so anti other species talking, expecting that they should have an on/off mute button.

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That's the most interesting thought I've seen all day.

Don't feel too proud though, it's early yet ;)
 
All else aside, that dog is out of control in a public place. Which is a criminal offence.

I was recently bitten quite badly by a horse (had to be treated in hospital) which was loose while being walked. It didn't bark or growl and in fact ran out of a wood onto the public road I was running along and bit me. I wasn't even aware it was there, and now I am very wary of turning my back on any dog.
 
We have so many incidents with dogs off lead up here. My old horse once bolted with me on him being chased by a small white fluffy thing intent on chewing his heels, and my current one nearly got a lab that was trying to jump on him (in play, but my horse has no patience for dogs in his space thanks to yos dogs chasing him in the field on a regular basis...), and owner's reaction was awful!! I explained that had she had her excitable dog on a lead my horse wouldnt have tried to kick him, and that if it was a small child he had leapt on in a public place their parents would soon be after her for it. Despite not being aggressive he was untrained, excitable and therefore dangerous.
 
FinnishLapphund said:
And just commenting in general, I want to say that I don't understand why a species like ourselves, who often have a habit of talking, are sometimes so anti other species talking, expecting that they should have an on/off mute button.

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JFTD said:
That's the most interesting thought I've seen all day.

Don't feel too proud though, it's early yet ;)
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But hearing it made me feel happy! :D

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What a bizarre video. Based on a quick look I have a few questions and observations...

What happened before she started filming? What had she said to the dog owner?
Why didn't the owner just put the dog on the lead?
Why was the rider then following the dog, trying to wind it up more? She could see the dog was possibly a bit scared itself, so she clearly wanted to upset it, all the while claiming it was frightening her horse. If the horse was that frightened, why keep riding towards the dog?
Was the walker correct in saying the rider was on a path she wasn't supposed to be on? If so, she has absolutely no right to be yelling at him. If it was a walkers only path, she was in the wrong place and therefore I think at fault for upsetting the dog, not the other way around.

I get annoyed with horse riders generally. The one in the video was particularly obnoxious and confrontational, made worse if she was riding on paths she isn't allowed to. Riders are v quick to complain about other road users not slowing down for them etc (or not putting dogs on leads) but why don't more make an effort to desensitise their horses? If your horse is nervous of dogs then do something about it. You can't shield the horse from dogs for its whole life and expect the rest of the world to pander to you.

Plus... that horse didn't look in the slightest bit scared of the dog. It looked half asleep.
 
MiJodsR2BlinkinTite said:
Some of the comments on here amaze me. She (the rider) had said to the dog-walker early on that the dog had "gone under" the horse's back feet...... so WHY TF didn't the dog owner do the sensible/right thing and put the flippin dog on a lead FFS? If he'd done that, and taken his @rse in his hand, and departed, there wouldn't have been any problem.

It amazed me that he made no effort to stop the dog barking at the horse OR keeping it under any sort of close control by putting it on a lead.

Everyone on here has had a right old go at the horse rider: her horse it has to be said, is an absolute darling, a saint. I've got a cob like that and TBH you could organise a dog-fighting pit in his stable and he'd be mega chilled about it, he's just very blase, just like the horse in the vid.

BUT...... the fact that the horse was OK doesn't excuse the dog-owner. So OK that could have been YOUR child on its pony, going ballistic; its just not funny when you're not sure if someone's dog is going to go underneath your horse's back feet and the owner patently couldn't give a stuff. There was an incident around here not so long ago when someone's dog on a piece of common land chased a couple of horses out hacking...... the horse bolted and the rider was thrown, injuring herself badly. Meanwhile dog-owner didn't even know his dog had done the deed; don't think they ever found him if my memory is correct.

So IMO whilst the horse-rider needs to do her horse a favour and calm down and chill out, I can understand WHY she was possibly so stressed by the incident. Perhaps she's been on another horse, somewhere else, and had a problem with a dog. Yes we might all have dealt with it differently, but who among us hasn't been made to feel threatened/stressed by either a thoughtless dog owner, a cyclist, a motor cyclist, or man-with-white-van going too fast.
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THIS ^^^

this was a potentially damgerous situation and it was only sheer luck that cob was as good about the whole thing as it was. anything over excited or anxious might have panicked and been the other side fo the main road by now flattening the **** in a hat and his barky hound at the same time.

The dog was acting teritorially , its bark was anxious and nervous, no doubt exasperated by the confrontational high energy tone it could hear in its owner's voice . Dogs in that state WILL lunge at a horse.

If the **** in the bobble hat had put his hound on a lead in the initial incident when the dog became excited (or went to bite the horse's back legs as the rider says) none of the rest would have happened. If an accident had occured he would have been entriely to blame for just being a bolshy stubborn, chippy, man basically.
 
I would very much doubt that dog would have had a go at the horse, it just looked worried by it, and when the horse did move towards him the dog turned tail. My dogs are used to horses, but if they were off lead and horses were approaching I would put them back on. However, if a confrontation had started between myself and a rider I think there is a fair chance my dogs would become protective. Without seeing footage of what happened earlier I would say from viewing this clip that the fault is 90% the riders.
 
My horse was attacked by a couple of dogs who ran out from a farm while we were on the road passing a farm.
The dogs got my horse on to the ground and continued attacking her while I tried to get them off.
My horse was injured and was never the same with dogs.
The farmer concerned could not care less so I reported the matter to the dog warden and local rural police officer both of which visited the farmer concerned and advised him that if the dogs were allowed on a public place again they would be destroyed.
What was really annoying was that other local horse riders had previously had problems with these dogs but had done nothing about it.
One other important aspect of this is make sure that your horses get their regular tetanus injection as one of my friends horses was bitten by a dog and caught tetanus. (Unfortunately the horse had not had it's annual tetanus booster).
 
I agree annagain. bob the cob is a star :) as for her!!! i guess when i hacked big lad out past local school when kids were playing on break i should have complained and told them to keep kids in has big lad was always terrified lolhow inconsiderate of them but the lad did the most impressive beautiful movements with 4feet off ground. Personally a over reaction and another horse rider hater. I understand dangerous dogs and the increase in attacks but we all have to share a decressing level of green. and that dog was barking ffs thats all. and if was so worried why did she follow and not turn back earlier. out to cause issues with her camera .
 
I would be surprised if that dog had snapped at the horse as he didn't really look aggressive just a bit over excited at seeing the horse also the horse didn't seem at all bothered by the dog so a little confusing what the confrontation was about. My horse is nervous of barking dogs but I think it is something he just has to get used to.
 
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