I'm Dun
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or not exercised
Irresponsible Owners
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or not exercised
Annette4
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Because the vast majority seem to think socialising = playing with every single other dogs, normally with no regard for their humans. They don't understand what's actually involved.
CorvusCorax
'It's only a laugh, no harm done'
My dogs are walked on lead. Samsung Health tells me we're getting loads of exercise. So does the muscle on the young dog.
4Hoofed
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I mean honestly the people in my area who think my dogs are poorly exercised/socialised as I don’t let them run up to every Fido is unreal 
I was doing some training in the park on lead yesterday (nothing fancy just keeping the cogs turning for the big lad) and after repeatedly telling a lady with two lovely schnauzers that I don’t want her dogs jumping on me and my dogs don’t want to play, they’re not friendly (the little one can be reactive as he was paralysed previously and now doesn’t tolerate rough play/being bounces on so we don’t bother going through the stress of it all. Big one is just a lump but barks if little one reacts, and he isn’t allowed to play with anyone smaller then him as he is a unit and has the reaction speed of a large oil tanker for stopping, turning, avoiding crashes
) she informed me I should “socialise” them then as she couldn’t recall, catch or control her dogs as they jumped up me, my sit stay ignore big dog and my “in the middle” little dog all the while barking. 
I despair. Socialisation has turned into through your dogs as at many dogs as you can, hope it turns out okay. When it goes wrong the other dog must be vicious, as people seem to forget like people they aren’t all going to love each all the time. But it’s the dogs I feel sorry for. The wrong reactive dog (ashamedly could be mine one day! Who knows that’s why we stick to who we know like responsible people!!) and it’s those poor schnauzers that will get bitten etc not the owner. Same with all dogs, they're the ones who suffer not the irresponsible owners. It’s bad because I end up having to say it’s the big dog (rottie x mastiff) who isn’t social otherwise no one ever takes it seriously.
I was doing some training in the park on lead yesterday (nothing fancy just keeping the cogs turning for the big lad) and after repeatedly telling a lady with two lovely schnauzers that I don’t want her dogs jumping on me and my dogs don’t want to play, they’re not friendly (the little one can be reactive as he was paralysed previously and now doesn’t tolerate rough play/being bounces on so we don’t bother going through the stress of it all. Big one is just a lump but barks if little one reacts, and he isn’t allowed to play with anyone smaller then him as he is a unit and has the reaction speed of a large oil tanker for stopping, turning, avoiding crashes
) she informed me I should “socialise” them then as she couldn’t recall, catch or control her dogs as they jumped up me, my sit stay ignore big dog and my “in the middle” little dog all the while barking. I despair. Socialisation has turned into through your dogs as at many dogs as you can, hope it turns out okay. When it goes wrong the other dog must be vicious, as people seem to forget like people they aren’t all going to love each all the time. But it’s the dogs I feel sorry for. The wrong reactive dog (ashamedly could be mine one day! Who knows that’s why we stick to who we know like responsible people!!) and it’s those poor schnauzers that will get bitten etc not the owner. Same with all dogs, they're the ones who suffer not the irresponsible owners. It’s bad because I end up having to say it’s the big dog (rottie x mastiff) who isn’t social otherwise no one ever takes it seriously.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
One of my terriers is scared of bigger dogs she doesn’t know so I’m pretty careful as she lays on her back and squeaks if she feels threatened and I think that is quite likely to encourage a dog to bite her so I put her on lead so I’m ready to defend her. I’ve been told it’s my fault and I should let her off. She has been raised exactly the same as my other 2 but she is much more submissive so I don’t see how it’s my fault. I used to leave her off lead to socialise but after all of the dog attacks I am more careful
skinnydipper
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She is just letting other dogs know that she poses no threat.
Errin Paddywack
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I used to know a little Patterdale bitch who would roll over and be submissive. Unfortunately some dogs just see this as weakness. This little girl was ripped into by a GSD bitch and was very badly hurt, lucky to survive.
skinnydipper
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The GSD owner should have had their dog on a lead if it wasn't safe round other dogs.
Dogs should be able to read another's body language.
Errin Paddywack
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Yes she should have done, claimed it was the first time it had done anything like that, the usual story.
I'm Dun
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This is my dog 2 days after he was attacked. Hesmy medical assistance dog, saves my life on a regular basis, and is just the sweetest kindest dog Ive ever met. Some idiot woman with an enormous lab, never seen one with a head so big, had it off lead and it galloped up to my boy who was next to me and tried to kill him. I beat the hell out of it with the lead, and managed to drag it off his head, then it got away and went for his back, picked him up and ragged him. My poor boy was screaming and I couldnt get the dog off. I finally let go when I dug my nails in round its face and then booted it round to be side on and got it in a headlock. I'm surprised I didnt get bitten, but at the time I didnt think about that.
Its owner stood there going "oh dead, oh dear" while I was trying to get this enormous thing off my dog. She then said, she "wasnt sure who started it" and her dog is only "ever an issue in smaller spaces" we were coming down off a canal bridge on a 4ft wide footpath, one dog next to me, one behind, so hardly the biggest space. She could see me from 300ms away so had time to get the damn thing, I had gotten mine to me. Its not like a tow path is a spacious area anyway!
I genuinely think that if I hadnt fought it off it would have killed him, as it was he was lucky it just missed his windpipe. Hes so sad and scared now and despite pain killers its horribly sore.
The photos dont show bad it is, hes got this huge flappy swelling under his face and neck, his got cuts in his ear and on his head, and all his back is swollen.
Living on a boat on the canal we get beseigued by the idiots who rarely walk their dogs, but decide to turn up en masse at this time of year. I'm stuck in a city at the minute finishing uni, but cant wait to be away and somewhere quieter, and safer!
Its owner stood there going "oh dead, oh dear" while I was trying to get this enormous thing off my dog. She then said, she "wasnt sure who started it" and her dog is only "ever an issue in smaller spaces" we were coming down off a canal bridge on a 4ft wide footpath, one dog next to me, one behind, so hardly the biggest space. She could see me from 300ms away so had time to get the damn thing, I had gotten mine to me. Its not like a tow path is a spacious area anyway!
I genuinely think that if I hadnt fought it off it would have killed him, as it was he was lucky it just missed his windpipe. Hes so sad and scared now and despite pain killers its horribly sore.
The photos dont show bad it is, hes got this huge flappy swelling under his face and neck, his got cuts in his ear and on his head, and all his back is swollen.
Living on a boat on the canal we get beseigued by the idiots who rarely walk their dogs, but decide to turn up en masse at this time of year. I'm stuck in a city at the minute finishing uni, but cant wait to be away and somewhere quieter, and safer!
Clodagh
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Poor, poor little chap. I don’t suppose in the heat of the moment you got any details from her? It’s always the last thing on your mind. He must be awfully sore.This is my dog 2 days after he was attacked. Hesmy medical assistance dog, saves my life on a regular basis, and is just the sweetest kindest dog Ive ever met. Some idiot woman with an enormous lab, never seen one with a head so big, had it off lead and it galloped up to my boy who was next to me and tried to kill him. I beat the hell out of it with the lead, and managed to drag it off his head, then it got away and went for his back, picked him up and ragged him. My poor boy was screaming and I couldnt get the dog off. I finally let go when I dug my nails in round its face and then booted it round to be side on and got it in a headlock. I'm surprised I didnt get bitten, but at the time I didnt think about that.
Its owner stood there going "oh dead, oh dear" while I was trying to get this enormous thing off my dog. She then said, she "wasnt sure who started it" and her dog is only "ever an issue in smaller spaces" we were coming down off a canal bridge on a 4ft wide footpath, one dog next to me, one behind, so hardly the biggest space. She could see me from 300ms away so had time to get the damn thing, I had gotten mine to me. Its not like a tow path is a spacious area anyway!
I genuinely think that if I hadnt fought it off it would have killed him, as it was he was lucky it just missed his windpipe. Hes so sad and scared now and despite pain killers its horribly sore.
The photos dont show bad it is, hes got this huge flappy swelling under his face and neck, his got cuts in his ear and on his head, and all his back is swollen.
I'm Dun
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I didnt, I just wanted to get my 2 away in case she let it go. If I see her again I bloody well will, and I'm going to log it with the police on their online thing in case other people have had issues. That is not the first time that dog has done that.
4Hoofed
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Poor thing. I’ll never understand the “my dog doesn’t lol x, y & z but he’s normally okay with a, b..” like their dog has clearly done this before and they are trying to apply some kind of reasoning that makes it not their fault 
it really winds me up. I told a gentleman earlier the dogs are fine I just the overwhelming urge to boot dogs that aren’t mine and suddenly he found his lead. 
but you are 100% correct every muppet that hasn’t been out since last Xmas is put to take pictures of their Xmas Eve walkies with puppy boo boo. Poor dogs are just confused to be out of their back garden for once. 
it really winds me up. I told a gentleman earlier the dogs are fine I just the overwhelming urge to boot dogs that aren’t mine and suddenly he found his lead. but you are 100% correct every muppet that hasn’t been out since last Xmas is put to take pictures of their Xmas Eve walkies with puppy boo boo. Poor dogs are just confused to be out of their back garden for once. 
AmyMay
Situation normal
Just awful. I’m so sorry that happened.This is my dog 2 days after he was attacked. Hesmy medical assistance dog, saves my life on a regular basis, and is just the sweetest kindest dog Ive ever met. Some idiot woman with an enormous lab, never seen one with a head so big, had it off lead and it galloped up to my boy who was next to me and tried to kill him. I beat the hell out of it with the lead, and managed to drag it off his head, then it got away and went for his back, picked him up and ragged him. My poor boy was screaming and I couldnt get the dog off. I finally let go when I dug my nails in round its face and then booted it round to be side on and got it in a headlock. I'm surprised I didnt get bitten, but at the time I didnt think about that.
Its owner stood there going "oh dead, oh dear" while I was trying to get this enormous thing off my dog. She then said, she "wasnt sure who started it" and her dog is only "ever an issue in smaller spaces" we were coming down off a canal bridge on a 4ft wide footpath, one dog next to me, one behind, so hardly the biggest space. She could see me from 300ms away so had time to get the damn thing, I had gotten mine to me. Its not like a tow path is a spacious area anyway!
I genuinely think that if I hadnt fought it off it would have killed him, as it was he was lucky it just missed his windpipe. Hes so sad and scared now and despite pain killers its horribly sore.
The photos dont show bad it is, hes got this huge flappy swelling under his face and neck, his got cuts in his ear and on his head, and all his back is swollen.
Living on a boat on the canal we get beseigued by the idiots who rarely walk their dogs, but decide to turn up en masse at this time of year. I'm stuck in a city at the minute finishing uni, but cant wait to be away and somewhere quieter, and safer!
I’ve drummed it in to my OH - if a large dog attacks ours strangle it with a leash.
paddy555
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sorry about your dog I'm Dun
so many of these problems could be prevented if only people would make use of that little known device called a lead. Just sayin.
so many of these problems could be prevented if only people would make use of that little known device called a lead. Just sayin.
I'm Dun
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I wish I'd thought of that. It was so strong and just wouldnt let go, then wouldnt stop. Then I had it in a headlock while it was trying to get away waiting for its idot owner to put the damn lead on. If I'd throttled it with the lead id have had some way to restrain it at least
I'm usually super tolerant of other people as both my dogs are friendly and easy going and tend to mind their own business. The younger one will play sometimes if invited but they prefer to play with each other normally, other slow dogs are boring to whippets I find. But this now means I am constantly vigilant. Nothing I could have done would have stopped the damn thing anyway, but I dont want him having to deal with other dogs while hes feeling so vulnerable, and my younger boy is now on alert and quite prepared to chase off other dogs if the older boy is worried, so hes back on his lead most of the time as well. Its made me very aware how many utter idiots there are out there.
SilverLinings
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I'm not sure why they thought it was ok to CHOOSE to 'rescue' a 10 month old from being euthanised (I would like to know why that was its guaranteed fate, especially as there seems to be plenty of people willing to ship them to Scotland etc) when she knew the ban was coming, but now she expects someone else to pay for the exemption certificate.
So 'we' (the public) are expected to pay for her toy/hobby because why shouldn't she have something she can't afford? And as the exemption certificate is only £92.40 I struggle to believe that she can actually afford to feed and look after the dog (as she claims), and if it is unaffordable then I assume either it will never be taken to the vet or a Go Fund Me will be run for every vet bill. She doesn't mention insurance (even though third party insurance will be mandatory), but if the dog is insured for vets fees then she will still have to pay the excess and for items/treatments not covered. £92.40 is not a big bill for a dog owner (I'm not suggesting it's a small amount of money, but we all know as animal owners that you need to be able to budget for unexpected emergencies).
Why do so many adults think that they are entitled to own things that they can't afford? There are lots of things I would like (e.g. more animals) but even if I can afford the outlay I don't buy them if I can't afford the ongoing/running costs (or have the time to look after them properly, which seems to be something else that is commonly neglected). I find the sense of entitlement - and belief that 'someone' else will pay for it - frankly bizarre.
Jenko109
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You mean he is still showing aggression even after so much love? 
SilverLinings
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And she seems to think it's all on him. There is no mention of whether she has ever trained the dog, and she doesn't say she will get professional help to address this recent aggression. It sounds as though he may have had a live full of 'love' but no boundaries, and is now physically big enough to test the lack of said boundaries. It boils down to 'I love him so he shouldn't behave like this, and if he keeps doing so he will get PTS'. Another owner seemingly believing they have no responsibility for their dog's behaviour. Poor dog.
Clodagh
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They did t say pts, they said surrender. Make him a rescue case.
CanteringCarrot
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Yeah, professional help would've been logical!
I think people are not ready at all for these types of dogs. I can see some other breeds getting like this too though. There are some dogs that you have to be firm with from day one and never back down from. Always follow through. Order of the pack is serious and if you're not at the top or falter, that dog will be there to challenge you or take you down. That's not a suitable pet.
It's sort of like having that super dominate horse. The handling of that horse differs from the handing of a "ho hum" plod. Your awareness has to be on point too.
These are not animals (XL Bully types) for beginners or pet homes at all, really.
SilverLinings
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You are quite right Clodagh, I (wrongly) assumed they meant PTS by 'surrender', I didn't think of him being turned over to a rescue. I wonder if rescues in England will start to refuse them at some point as they won't be able to rehome them, so will have to pay to home them for life or PTS (which might lead to bad publicity). I hope if she does give him away she is upfront about the behavioural issues.They did t say pts, they said surrender. Make him a rescue case.
Edited for a freudian typo
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
Yet another idiot with an untrained and probably not exercised dog who is showing aggressive behaviour…. It’s scarey how many of them are coming to light now the ban is almost here.. another dog that needs to be PTS !!
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Jenko109
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I'm so enraged. I have to be super vague here.
I'm dealing with a case where a customer claims the vet did not treat a puppy for X condition.
So I have received the vet notes which confirm that the did not treat puppy for X condition as the owner was told it needed further investigation with diagnostics and she was unwilling to pay for it. Instead she just insisted puppy was vaccinated as she was selling it at the weekend.
I cannot describe how furious I am.
I'm dealing with a case where a customer claims the vet did not treat a puppy for X condition.
So I have received the vet notes which confirm that the did not treat puppy for X condition as the owner was told it needed further investigation with diagnostics and she was unwilling to pay for it. Instead she just insisted puppy was vaccinated as she was selling it at the weekend.
I cannot describe how furious I am.
skinnydipper
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So the original owner didn't agree to investigations and your customer is the person who bought the puppy from them?
maisie06
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She should have bought the exemption for christmas instead of wasting money on whatever tat she probably bought instead....Like you I would love more animals, especially a pair of Donkeys but I can't afford it - well,maybe I should do a crowdfunder - why should I pay?? I am entitled you know!!
Jenko109
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No. My customer is the person who sold the puppy - the breeder. She is trying to claim against the vets, arguing they should have treated the puppy within the amount that she paid.
Needless to say, I will be taking her case no further. Absolute scum.
Mrs. Jingle
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Cute Dog And Baby Cuddle On The Couch
Hi there! My name is Ginger, and I am here to share a story of something interesting that happened with one of my friends recently! I have been with my owners
dogblog.com
Did anyone else see this, made my blood run cold. Never mind the dog should be taken away from them, so should the baby IMO!
bonny
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That’s beyond foolish that anyone would think that was ok let alone find it cute.Cute Dog And Baby Cuddle On The Couch
Hi there! My name is Ginger, and I am here to share a story of something interesting that happened with one of my friends recently! I have been with my owners
Did anyone else see this, made my blood run cold. Never mind the dog should be taken away from them, so should the baby IMO!
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
Apart from the danger what about the hygiene , those people shouldn’t be in charge of any living thing