Irresponsible Owners

[Dexter]

When you have demonstrated that you are unable to recall your dog then don't just walk away - come and get the flipping thing.

Walking away is one of the thing recommended to do if your dog wont recall though?

 

[skinnydipper]

Walking away is one of the thing recommended to do if your dog wont recall though?

I would say that depends on what the dog is doing when the owner abandons attempts to recall.

If it is being a nuisance to other dogs then the owner should be running to retrieve their dog not walking away.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Walking away is one of the thing recommended to do if your dog wont recall though?

Yeah but not if it's milling/climbing over/generally being a dick to someone else's dog and/or it clearly doesn't care if the owner has left it?
Dogs that like being with their owners generally don't have to be begged to come back.

 

[scats]

Yet another altercation with Sharpei man on the private farmland. Merrily smoking and chucking a ball for the dog, who then made a beeline for Millie, barking and growling at her heels. Man just stood smoking while I told him to get hold of his dog and leave the land. He then very slowly walked off, ignoring the dog, who continued to run at Millie growling.
I am sick of this idiot. He is two fields away from the public footpath and knows dam well he is trespassing. Have had a reply from the council environmental health department (that was where the website sent me when I searched what to do about out of control dogs) so hoping someone is going to call me in the next few days.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Have you filmed him or pretended to film him? And/or shout out I'M LIVE-STREAMING THIS!

And/or carry a big stick/water pistol.

 

[scats]

Have you filmed him or pretended to film him? And/or shout out I'M LIVE-STREAMING THIS!

And/or carry a big stick/water pistol.

Yep, I film him most times. As soon as my phone comes out and I start filming he just walks away with his head down, doesn’t say anything, or call the dog.

 

[Pearlsasinger]

Yep, I film him most times. As soon as my phone comes out and I start filming he just walks away with his head down, doesn’t say anything, or call the dog.

Does anyone on the yard have a gun? An air rifle would do. It is legal to shoot a dog worrying your livestock and while I'm not suggesting that you do shoot it, reminding him of that with a gun in your hand might just get the point across.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Yep, I film him most times. As soon as my phone comes out and I start filming he just walks away with his head down, doesn’t say anything, or call the dog.

And have you ever put the situation/him on the local area Facebook page?

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Walking away is one of the thing recommended to do if your dog wont recall though?

It worked when Mitch was too fascinated to come immediately. I would normally grab him, but if I walk off, he follows. I absolutely don't allow him to pester other dogs (he is growing up, yay!) and if the other dog is on lead, my lot are taken away.

I am happy to get in between them and other dogs who are being a pain. There was a massive golden the other day, clearly playful but 3 times Mitch' s weight and barging him, useless owner. I was not quiet about getting him off my dog.

 

[ArklePig]

A work colleague of mine has a bull terrier (I might have that wrong, but the cute weird looking ones with the long wide noses) and recently, on a whim, purchased a collie x French bulldog puppy and is thinking about breeding from them. I'd blocked this from my memory when she told me but the comment up thread reminded me. I asked her what she thought the market would be for a collie, French bulldog, bull terrier and she looked at me like I was stupid and was like 'but they'll be so cute'. ?

 

[CorvusCorax]

A collie...crossed with a French bulldog....whut??

English Bull Terriers are the ones with the convex facial profile.

 

[ArklePig]

Thank you @CorvusCorax I get very confused buy all the different dogs with bull in their name!

I know, apparently mum was the collie which is... Something? I guess. I asked where she got it from and obviously the answer was gumtree. I really hope she doesn't mate her two dogs but can you imagine the pups.

 

[scats]

And have you ever put the situation/him on the local area Facebook page?

Im so tempted, but there’s something about this bloke that makes me think he might do something horrible to the horses if provoked. I honestly don’t think he’s quite right, his responses and reactions are very odd.
Coz he had a fag in his hand yesterday I had visions of him burning the yard down. He really gives me the creeps.

 

[cauda equina]

Im so tempted, but there’s something about this bloke that makes me think he might do something horrible to the horses if provoked. I honestly don’t think he’s quite right, his responses and reactions are very odd.
Coz he had a fag in his hand yesterday I had visions of him burning the yard down. He really gives me the creeps.

Does the yard have security cameras?
I'm wondering what else he gets up to, when you're not around to see

 

[scats]

Does the yard have security cameras?
I'm wondering what else he gets up to, when you're not around to see

Yes we have CCTV on the yard. I was thinking of swapping my girls round last night to being in overnight but I actually changed my mind because I had a horrible feeling he might come back and set the barn on fire. Probably me being ridiculous but that’s the vibe he gives me, especially now I’ve seen him smoking.

 

[Clodagh]

'but they'll be so cute'. ?

Tbh they really would. I can’t altogether see what else they’d bring to the party but cute they would be ?

 

[ArklePig]

I think English bull terriers are kind of cute, just because they're so strange looking, collies are obviously adorable, but I can't find it in myself to admire French bulldogs and the like, they kind of creep me out, despite the fact that I'm the squeeee type with most dogs.

 

[GSD Woman]

Scats, trust your gut.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Im so tempted, but there’s something about this bloke that makes me think he might do something horrible to the horses if provoked. I honestly don’t think he’s quite right, his responses and reactions are very odd.
Coz he had a fag in his hand yesterday I had visions of him burning the yard down. He really gives me the creeps.

Yeah I understand, I don't tackle people near the house if I can help it, just in case.

 

[SaddlePsych'D]

@scats that sounds horrible. As well as the trespassing and dog out of control it seems like it's becoming like a bit of a harassment thing. Not nice.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Not irresponsible per se, more ineffectual...but the second German Shepherd passed me this week gobbing off like crazy and generally being a dickhead.

I've been there, I have, and I've found something that works and it took me a while to get there, but it's frustrating that the owners are doing little to nothing to stop it...no talking, poor line handling, poor handling in general, no food or toy to try and distract them, just letting it happen, dog rearing up on the end of a crap chain lead and useless harness.
I have to say my little girl was great both times and just lay down and concentrated on her food while a dog was going off at her a few feet away.
I managed to have a shouted conversion with the first guy, as he instigated it, and I was able to give him a bit of advice and our email address if he wants some help, but the dog today just sounded...not good...and I wanted to concentrate on making mine feel secure.

 

[BBP]

Not irresponsible per se, more ineffectual...but the second German Shepherd passed me this week gobbing off like crazy and generally being a dickhead.

I've been there, I have, and I've found something that works and it took me a while to get there, but it's frustrating that the owners are doing little to nothing to stop it...no talking, poor line handling, poor handling in general, no food or toy to try and distract them, just letting it happen, dog rearing up on the end of a crap chain lead and useless harness.
I have to say my little girl was great both times and just lay down and concentrated on her food while a dog was going off at her a few feet away.
I managed to have a shouted conversion with the first guy, as he instigated it, and I was able to give him a bit of advice and our email address if he wants some help, but the dog today just sounded...not good...and I wanted to concentrate on making mine feel secure.

I had almost an identical experience today. Came across the pair of collies that had attacked mine at the start of lockdown and triggered his reactivity. The super reactive one was throwing itself around desperately trying to shed its halter thingy to get to mine. It was on a flexilead which came unlocked and the older gent holding him was shouting and swearing at the dog as the cord tore up the skin on his hands as he desperately grabbed at it.

I have never been so proud of my dog, he can be a bit of an arse towards other dogs now, but on this occasion he clearly felt outgunned and walked beautifully past at heel on a loose lead, looking up at me and taking treats. Generally if allowed to he goes into sniper mode, locks his gaze on and is hard to shift and will then react, so I was extremely glad to be the one with the good dog this time.

 

[stangs]

More irresponsible breeder than irresponsible owner but found on an ad selling xl bully puppies:
"we pleased to announce 9 Healthy beautiful puppy there was 11 unfortunately some died"

No information provided as to why two died.

 

[GSD Woman]

The other day I was walking mine on the nature trail. I always look for other humans or dogs and do my best to avoid them. The dogs are good with their recalls and will turn and go in the other direction and/or wait up if needed. I jumped out of my skin because Freddie suddenly wasn't there. A man and his large pit bull were off the path just sitting on a log. Fred came back as soon as I called but I was embarrassed. The man was fine and said his pit liked other dogs as long as they didn't try and sniff his back end. Overall a nice dog and man. I hadn't gone but a few yards and there was another man trying to get his dogs on lead. I hollered back to pit bull man that some more dogs were coming. I took mine off of the trail and put Rudy on lead and had him sit. Freddie was playing catch me if you can but I did get her lead on. When the new man came by one dog was practically strangling itself while standing on his back legs and trying to get to my dogs. I felt bad for the man and dog. He probably thought no one else would be on the trail at that time of the day.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Went to do our usual walk in the woods. There was an Akita leaving the car park as I was getting out my lot. It‘s owner was having trouble holding onto it and kept it on the lead. I decided to avoid it and went the other way. Unfortunately came across it again, rearing on the lead so I put my 3 on the lead and stepped off the path to let the guy go past. He came to let it say hello! He was like ‘Oh, he’s fine, just bouncy’. I told him to take it away from mine, that it was really dangerous to let an on lead dog approach other on lead dogs. I was astonished that i had clearly put mine on the lead to let him go past then he came right up!

Bear has previously defended the youngsters although hasn’t reacted for months, so I don’t think he would have done anything, but that could’ve been messy. Rightly or wrongly, I don’t like the breed. One bit Brig cue multiple antibiotics then an op. It then attacked another dog and bit the owner who had to go to A&E, his arm was all torn up.

Im glad they were on the lead because a reactive onlead dog then walked up. I haven’t seen him in this bit of the woods before. I might change my route.

 

[GSD Woman]

Cinnamontoast,
That is scary. there was a pair of Akitas getting loose and killing cats and small dogs in a nearby neighborhood decades ago. Those dogs are no joke.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Cinnamontoast,
That is scary. there was a pair of Akitas getting loose and killing cats and small dogs in a nearby neighborhood decades ago. Those dogs are no joke.

He looked like he wanted to play, but the owner wasn’t really in control, Mitch is scared of bigger dogs and Bear might have kicked off-unlikely, given how chill he is but I don’t think forcing a meet between onlead dogs is the best idea!

 

[DabDab]

Sorry in advance to all Labrador owners, but why is it always Labradors/Labrador owners?! And it's never the nice, svelte, sporting type Labradors either, it's the great bucket-headed "who ate all the pies?" ones who look like they've killed the odd chihuahua in their time just by sitting on it.

Was out walking on mixed use path popular with dog walkers, walking past/with/behind a variety of different dogs on lead and off lead with no bother. Off lead dogs were all non reactive and under control, on lead dogs either non reactive or were being managed well by their owners allow others to pass without drama. And then along comes a man calling two dogs that are not in sight. Eventually one chocolate lab comes lolloping round the bend and makes a bee-line for my Phoebe who is one lead and at heel. It crowds in almost on top of P in that slightly oblivious was that Labs do and she scuttled away from it to the other side of me. It came to crowd in on her again so I put my leg out in front of P, that it promptly lumbered into but it gave me time to pick P up out of the way as it negotiated it's way around my leg. I turned to look back at its ineffectual owner and he pointed finger at me and said "oi. Don't ever make contact with a dog with your leg." In the tone of a teacher telling off a child. I replied that his dog is a lot bigger than mine and was crowding her, and at that point my not insubstantial OH who had been some way behind with the other two dogs appeared at Labrador man's shoulder and snarled something at him so he scuttled off sheepishly with lab 1 . Lab 2 that he was still calling for did eventually pass us further down, heading in the general direction of its owner. How oblivious do you have to be to be reprimanding someone who's dogs are behaving while yours are barely more than feral? And if you can't train a Lab to recall then you are definitely no authority on anything dog.

Later in the day on the beach all owners seemed generally lovely and could recall their dogs (majority of dogs off lead, incl ours), but it's still only the labs that do that crowding in thing where other breeds just say hello in normal dog language.

 

[Clodagh]

I’m not sure why it’s labs, and tbh I only see them out shooting where they are generally great. There’s often one sex pest/ personal space one but usually he’s owned by a human version of same.
I wonder if being an ‘easy’ dog people decide they don’t need to put any effort in with them?
There’s two labs free range on one of my morning walks, there have been a lot of problems with them. The young one approaches in a very aggressive way (and has apparently scared or even attacked several walkers). It came out at mine last time , I had them all on the lead so I was able to control everything, and I may have made contact with it with my leg or foot. Quite firmly. Twice. It was scary though.
I did email the council.

 

[DabDab]

Yeah I think you're right. I also suspect that because Labs are generally quite amenable you can get some superficial training success even with quite ineffectual training attempts. So they appear reasonably trained but it disguises some fairly big gaps.

But yes, only ever pet labs that are an issue, the working ones are a delight. Who would have thought breeding selection for soundness of body and mind combined with decent training was a good idea eh ?