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I waited for her to over the bridge and asked her if she was OK. She said she was, it was a Boxer, it didn't try to attack her, but thank you for asking.

I hope the man develops better control soon.
 
This is not working me😂

I saw an elderly man with a large dog today on the on the outskirts of town that was jumping up at a woman who was trying to pass him, it jumped up several times, putting its front feet on her shoulders. It was wide path before narrowing for a bridge.

See above post for the rest 😁
 
CorvusCorax said:
Dogs are non verbal. As a generalisation, they do not care about the noises you make, it is more about the movements you make. You can absolutely narrate what is happening, but it is for you, not the dog.
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Gosh. Do you not think?

I genuinely believe that dog hangs off my every word and will pay attention to me the entire time im chatting away, almost like she is trying to find meaning in what im saying.

She seems to pay less attention to the environment when im talking to her.

Not my sighthounds though. I think they are both deaf...
 
CorvusCorax said:
Dogs are non verbal. As a generalisation, they do not care about the noises you make, it is more about the movements you make. You can absolutely narrate what is happening, but it is for you, not the dog.
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I could never envision not chatting with Daisy when we're out and about, or generally really.

And I disagree that they don't care about the noises we make.
 
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CorvusCorax said:
Dogs are non verbal. As a generalisation, they do not care about the noises you make, it is more about the movements you make. You can absolutely narrate what is happening, but it is for you, not the dog.
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I discussed this with my dog as we drove to his preferred beach today…
He doesn’t agree with that statement….
Then I told him about your further statement…re wine and opine….and he laughed and said I would know all about that..he is a cheeky sod!!!
 
My cleaner told me this week that her on-lead dog got attacked by an off-lead dog (which has attacked multiple dogs before), and the owner screamed at her and said it was her own fault for having her dog on the lead 🤯🤯🤯 dog has a puncture wound and was very withdrawn for a week or so after it happened.
It’s with the police now and as several people have reported her, apparently they are taking it seriously.
 
Marshpiper said:
I discussed this with my dog as we drove to his preferred beach today…
He doesn’t agree with that statement….
Then I told him about your further statement…re wine and opine….and he laughed and said I would know all about that..he is a cheeky sod!!!
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My lot are very vocal. They like to let me know that they’re particularly excited about the car going past the usual park because that means we’re going to the river. They like to let me know that we’ve missed the turn to the woods when we’re going to the pub. I can be sitting perfectly still and not change my tone yet they still react to various key words. Even spelling lunch or biscuit causes spins. They seem to know many more words than previous dogs. I admit to having full on chats with mine. 🤣
 
skinnydipper said:
If you are talking nonstop to the dog, don't they just tune out the noise?
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No, they know the difference between chit chat and commands, although command isnt the word I mean, but its close enough. Totally different tone of voice most of the time and the association they have with those words. I can be talking to mine about some nonsense and casually drop in a command and they respond. The youngest will sit and look at my face quite often when I talk, listening and reading my face and trying to work things out. I also 100% believe that while they dont understand everything I saw, they definitely understand the overall meaning.

I did my usual going to work routine yesterday, but I wasnt actually going to work, so I explained to Cooper it wasnt a work day, and give me 15mins and I'll come back and do your walk then. He was at the door as usual waiting for his walk, he listened to me and went back to bed. I always tell them when we get in the car if we have errands to do that day or not and then they know when we stop its not walking time. Both dogs listen and respond to the sat nav as well, and that talks a fair bit and isnt even a person.

I'm sure some of it is body language and expressions, but the body language and expressions are there because of what I'm saying, but its absolutely not just that.

I cant imagine not talking to them.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
My lot are very vocal. They like to let me know that they’re particularly excited about the car going past the usual park because that means we’re going to the river. They like to let me know that we’ve missed the turn to the woods when we’re going to the pub. I can be sitting perfectly still and not change my tone yet they still react to various key words. Even spelling lunch or biscuit causes spins. They seem to know many more words than previous dogs. I admit to having full on chats with mine. 🤣
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Jack Russell by any chance? People talk about incredible intelligent dogs, collies etc, I have had all types of rescue dogs from German shepherds, Doberman, English bull terrier, collies, foxhounds, bassets, but I can honestly say, hand on heart Jack Russells have an intelligence far beyond others, this latest boy, from a rescue pound at eight weeks old, 7 years ago is above and beyond…even though my beloved late hubbie who adored him and dog loved him back, continually said to him, “you aren’t a proper Jack Russell” why? because he is bigger and has more hair…
He is my 6th Jack Russell….
 
Having a deaf dog has taught me just how much of our communication is body language and in our case facial expressions. I use hand signals too. I've always been very 'chatty' with my animals and prior to this eejit (and he really is an eejit, even after 5 years) all of my dogs were trained with verbal commands, probably because for years they were yard dogs who were mainly off lead on private land most of the time, in fields with horses and other livestock so needed to be able to be sent in the directions I wanted them to go in or to move out of the way/stay where they were put. Because there were up to 15 dogs loose on the yard at any given time - organised chaos - this was just the way they had to behave. I was very used to training that way and the dogs were also used to it, whistle to recall, stay away from horses legs, don't chase sheep, cattle, chickens, go this way (left), that way (right) and a shouted 'mind' meant get out of the way NOW. These were mainly terriers of all varieties, rotts, GSD, spaniels, collies and a boxer. All knew the rules and most of the time, obeyed them.

Even after I left that yard, I still trained similarly until I ended up with a deaf dog with quite a few other issues. I really had to up my game then and really think about how I did everything - 30 years experience including some quite difficult/challenging dogs didn't count for much then! What was fascinating to me was how much difference my body language and facial expression made in communicating with him as he didn't really recognise any hand signals when I got him. They were fairly easy to teach but even now, I usually move him by when we're walking by bumping him with my leg or turning my body towards him, opening my arm to move him away or bringing it closer to me when I want him nearer. It's pretty subtle and I've probably always done it because it's similar to how you deal with horses but I never really noticed prior to this dog. He also watches my face more than most dogs and reacts to facial expressions too especially smiles (is very pleased with himself especially if he also gets a thumbs up :) ) but also to a cross face, often paired with a hands up in the air when he'll either pack in whatever he's doing, appease or depending on mood, get silly and start bouncing. He has a full range of hand signals as well now and I still talk to him mainly because the other dog doesn't do hand signals - he's very sweet but not the sharpest knife in the drawer - so I'm giving verbal commands to that one anyway. As I said, it's something that we all probably do without realising and it was only when I thought about it, that talking to our dogs probably doesn't make as much difference, they are reading more non verbal signs alongside.
 
ponyparty said:
My cleaner told me this week that her on-lead dog got attacked by an off-lead dog (which has attacked multiple dogs before), and the owner screamed at her and said it was her own fault for having her dog on the lead 🤯🤯🤯 dog has a puncture wound and was very withdrawn for a week or so after it happened.
It’s with the police now and as several people have reported her, apparently they are taking it seriously
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I would be very interested to hear if there is an outcome to this. In my ideal world, the culprit should pay the vets bill in full and have the dog removed as it has attacked before and went on to do so again.

I hope your cleaner and her dog are mending psychologicaly and physically.
 
Being an only dog in a one person household, mine gets talked to about everything. He knows "I'm just nipping to the shops", which will send him upstairs to lie on my bed and look out of the window at the coming and goings of the outside world. "I've got to go to the loo" makes him race upstairs to the bathroom and yesterday I told him I was going to TK Maxx and he slunk upstairs to lie on my bed. I don't ever I suppose use those exact phrases or words but he knows.

I wonder just how much they do understand of words and how much is telepathy. I know tone of voice, actions and facial expressions are influential, but mine will sleep for hours travelling in the campervan and about 5 miles from the destination will be on the alert and getting excited, even though it's our first time in the area. I don't wake him or speak because I can't stand the shrieking that the excitement involves, so how the hell does he know?

We need a thread for this 😁
 
Marshpiper said:
Jack Russell by any chance? People talk about incredible intelligent dogs, collies etc, I have had all types of rescue dogs from German shepherds, Doberman, English bull terrier, collies, foxhounds, bassets, but I can honestly say, hand on heart Jack Russells have an intelligence far beyond others, this latest boy, from a rescue pound at eight weeks old, 7 years ago is above and beyond…even though my beloved late hubbie who adored him and dog loved him back, continually said to him, “you aren’t a proper Jack Russell” why? because he is bigger and has more hair…
He is my 6th Jack Russell….
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No, springer spaniels. I’ve spent the first few minutes after getting home fussing the noisiest, Mitch, who ‘cries’ in excitement when someone comes in. He’s very chatty.
 
Smitty said:
Being an only dog in a one person household, mine gets talked to about everything. He knows "I'm just nipping to the shops", which will send him upstairs to lie on my bed and look out of the window at the coming and goings of the outside world. "I've got to go to the loo" makes him race upstairs to the bathroom and yesterday I told him I was going to TK Maxx and he slunk upstairs to lie on my bed. I don't ever I suppose use those exact phrases or words but he knows.

I wonder just how much they do understand of words and how much is telepathy. I know tone of voice, actions and facial expressions are influential, but mine will sleep for hours travelling in the campervan and about 5 miles from the destination will be on the alert and getting excited, even though it's our first time in the area. I don't wake him or speak because I can't stand the shrieking that the excitement involves, so how the hell does he know?

We need a thread for this 😁
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I think part of it is routine, too. Come 9pm, I will have 2 dogs move position to face us and just remind us that it’s time for treats.
 
Cinnamontoast said:
I think part of it is routine, too. Come 9pm, I will have 2 dogs move position to face us and just remind us that it’s time for treats.
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Definitely. Mine literally knocked on Mr APs office door at 1 minute past 4 today when he didn't log off at 4. If he doesn't move and says 'nearly there ' or 'one more email' she'll sit next to him and wait.
 
Met a truly bizarre woman today. She had a flatcoat (I meet the blinking thing all the time in this walk, but it’s usually with an older man who usually manages to wrap its lead round a tree to slow its progress). She (his daughter, apparently) had a big brindle thing on a lead, the flatcoat off lead. I called mine, put their leads on and stepped off the track. The flatcoat just belted up to me, all head and tail up. I told it to sod off and actually it did.
She then stopped to chat, which is fine, and said where she lives people always let dogs go up to her on lead dog, and ‘why would you’? I was a bit 😳.
Anyway I met her again on the second bit of the loop and she must have had a moment of enlightenment as she actually caught both dogs and kept them away.
 
Both of ours had an on lead walk yesterday, we kept them on the grass round the periphery, bloke in the middle with 2 dachshunds throwing items for them. We were making for the exit, had to pass them to leave, one comes flying at us, bloke breaks into a desperate sprint after it. I call out that ours are friendly, he shouts back ’No, it’s her!’ Why take her off lead in a dog dense park (he’d already headed away from us and others) if you’re worried? She stopped at a distance so no issue. Funny thing is, he didn’t actually recall her, just shouted her name and started sprinting. 🤣
 
Went into the local farm supplies shop today and as I was paying I noticed an advert for puppies on the notice board behind the counter. It read:

2 X black, tan and white puppies for sale
One looks like a collie
The other one looks like a lurcher
Also 1 X houndXwhippet



No pictures, no price, just a phone number. How does someone selling puppies not know what they are?
 
DabDab said:
Went into the local farm supplies shop today and as I was paying I noticed an advert for puppies on the notice board behind the counter. It read:

2 X black, tan and white puppies for sale
One looks like a collie
The other one looks like a lurcher
Also 1 X houndXwhippet



No pictures, no price, just a phone number. How does someone selling puppies not know what they are?
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Probably because the mother dog was running around unspayed and on her own, and was covered by different dogs….
 
Why is it that people get upset if you don't like/ are wary/frightened of their dog? They take it as a personal insult, I don't get it.

There is a lady complaining on a local dog facebook group that she went into a shop with her rottweiler and the man in the que in front of her told her the dog made him feel uneasy. Que the 'Oh he's beautiful, ignore the haters' stuff plus a diatribe from people who have had people, wait for it, cross the road to avoid them and their dogs. I mean, what could be worse?🙄 Just accept that a) not all people like or are comfortable with dogs and b) there are going to be people who are not at ease around the size or type/breed of dog you have.

Rant over for today but am off on my travels for a couple of days so watch this space 😂
 
Smitty said:
Why is it that people get upset if you don't like/ are wary/frightened of their dog? They take it as a personal insult, I don't get it.

There is a lady complaining on a local dog facebook group that she went into a shop with her rottweiler and the man in the que in front of her told her the dog made him feel uneasy. Que the 'Oh he's beautiful, ignore the haters' stuff plus a diatribe from people who have had people, wait for it, cross the road to avoid them and their dogs. I mean, what could be worse?🙄 Just accept that a) not all people like or are comfortable with dogs and b) there are going to be people who are not at ease around the size or type/breed of dog you have.

Rant over for today but am off on my travels for a couple of days so watch this space 😂
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I kind of get it (but wouldn't be ranting about it on FB!) I know I watch out for people looking nervous or uneasy when I'm out and about with my rott - and a staffyx, can you imagine some of the reactions I get? - and do my best to reassure them by moving the dogs away if possible, shortening leads, making sure that I'm between them and the dogs, putting them into a down stay and so on. If people cross the road to avoid us that's fine, I do the same if possible if I notice they are uncomfortable/if it's a large group/small children zipping about or I'm not convinced they have control of their dogs/kids. I don't even huff at them ;)

But I do get sick of the comments about my dogs who are obviously under control just because of their breed. Over the years I've had everything from 'Those dogs are illegal, they're banned and should be put down' from a pissed bloke in a public park. They aren't a banned breed and the fact that they stayed sitting beside me without reacting to his aggressive behaviour kind of proved that they weren't dangerous. I've seen parents pushing their children into moving traffic rather than pass my dogs on short leads with me between them and other pedestrians. So many unsolicited comments, sometimes where people will come quite a distance to tell me they don't like the breed(s) and it does feel like a personal insult in that they are saying that I am such a numpty that I don't/can't have under control, trained dogs when my dogs are not doing anything wrong. It can feel like they shouldn't exist - yes, yes I know there are many who do feel that - when all we are doing is going about our daily business. So while I do accept that others might not like my dogs, I can be (usually silently tbf) defensive about my beloved dogs when they are doing nothing wrong. However, if you (general you!) march up to me in public and start slagging off my dogs, I reserve the right to respond. Depending on the day, I might agree with you, other days I might defend them and give a verbal take down :)
 
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