Irresponsible Owners

I took poorly socialised puppy to the beach today. It was an all round positive experience. Thank fully no one had an off lead dog that was rude and I used leads/ whistle/ treats as needed to keep her from getting emotional. By the end we were walking past dogs off lead, very chilled out.
I suppose I could stick to my usual strategy of never going out in public, but she needs to be on the shooting field next year.
 
blackcob said:
There are (off lead, allowed-to-run-up-to-whatever-they-like) dogs everywhere. You can't even avoid them by road walking or sticking to residential streets.
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This. Mine is scared/reactive too. I don't have the luxury of living in splendid isolation, but try my hardest to walk in places with a low dog count. And even then we can't always avoid the oblivious idiots.
 
rabatsa said:
My neighbours again. Their eldest child aged 15 has acquired a young lurcher, aged about 5 months now. So far in the month of having it I do not think that it has even had a collar on, let alone a lead. He was telling another neighbour that he fancied hare coursing with it, as it was a natural. My sheep are due to start lambing in 5 weeks time.

At least the ridgebacks seem to have been kept away from trouble after another neighbour really laid into the father about his irresponsible attitude to them running about out of control.
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I hope you get lucky and the lurcher is like my working bred dog. He has zero interest in sheep. Couldnt care less. Rabbits/hares/foxes/squirrels and deer are another matter, but his interest in sheep is less than zero. Quite a lot of the drivey working lurcher types are only interested in specific things and given an outlet wont be an issue with livestock. Doesnt mitigate all the other issues or the legality or morality of it, but would mean your sheep are safe so fingers crossed for you.
 
There is a strand of electric to prevent the equines from reaching over the fence. I am not putting any lower strands for baby lambs to get caught up in. If the dog jumps the net and top rail it will miss the electric wire which is on our side of the fence.
 
You’ll have to make the fencing between yourself and your neighbours fully agile dog proof from their side, just like we made our joint boundary sheep proof, even though it’s not us that has the sheep.

We have, from our side, post and rail fencing with off set insulators for the horses, a 6’ tall hawthorn hedge which we planted ourselves from whips, and then sheep netting on the actual boundary. All put in by ourselves.
 
Probably not the best place to post but i could do with some advice, please !

I have a small terrasse and my 9 years old female Basset can see other dogs walking past all the time.

She is good most of the time but she really goes mad for a male dog going past around 8 times a day...

I am not sure why she hate him that much, he simply walks past and doesn't care about her. He is a castrated amstaff cross, quiet big.

The lady is nice and walks quickly but i wonder if i could do something to get her to stop barking at him ?

When, i meet her during a walk, she goes for him too, barking and showing agressive behavior, he is the only one she hates, all the others, she will ignore.

When, meeting on a walk, we stay on the other side of the road, the lady walks away and i do the same, ignoring Nouille and not making a big drama of it,

I wonder what i could do to makes things easier for both of us, as we are likely to meet daily.

Any suggestions welcome, thank you,
 
Don't let her see other dogs walking past is the simplest solution/block her view. At her age and with so many repetitions of successful behaviour then it will take a long time to untrain, if at all, unless you want to do one big correction, unfortunately. And you would have to be there beside her and know exactly what time they were coming, every single time to untrain it. And at this stage she can probably smell the dog before you can even see or hear it, which is too late for you to do much.
 
Tiddlypom said:
You’ll have to make the fencing between yourself and your neighbours fully agile dog proof from their side, just like we made our joint boundary sheep proof, even though it’s not us that has the sheep.

We have, from our side, post and rail fencing with off set insulators for the horses, a 6’ tall hawthorn hedge which we planted ourselves from whips, and then sheep netting on the actual boundary. All put in by ourselves.
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In theory the fence belongs to the neighbours. They have a scrawny beech hedge their side and we put up the sheep netting on ours. A previous dog did not do the hedge any favours chasing a ball about round the base of the plants. Further along there is a good beech hedge where the sheep netting is set into the hedge. The donkeys and sheep keep the hedge from encroaching far into our side.

Janique we put some light stokboard along our garden fence line to stop our dog and the neighbours dogs eyeballing each other when they were in their kennels.
 
We've gone a very long time without a significant incident so I suppose we were due a doozy. Offlead labradoodle, out of sight of the owner, full speed charge at my dog who was in a down between my legs. Nasty cowardly piece of work that came in growling and then danced just out of range as mine went nuclear. I'd heard the clank of the entrance gate, recalled my dog and moved off the footpath until I could suss out what was coming. How I stayed on my feet I don't know.

Owner some 50m behind in no hurry at all to call or retrieve his dog even after hearing all the noise, eventually managed to call it further away but still failed to put it on a lead, and only very mildly (with not a shred of sarcasm or blame) said 'I'll go the other way' as he walked off. Literally no reaction at all despite seeing me struggling and hearing me ask him to call his dog.

Got home and offloaded to OH, who asked me to describe man and dog again, "oh, I kicked that dog just last week." Not as bad as it sounds - he was out walking our other dog, this one was on the other side of the high street, as they drew level it growled and launched on an unlocked flexi. He stuck his foot out to deflect it, fully expecting the bloke to lay into him about 'kicking' his dog, but also got absolutely no reaction.

I am so angry, and tired, that he will think he and his dog have done nothing wrong. After all his dog just wanted to say hello and it was mine that overreacted. Never mind that we'd passed half a dozen dogs on the way there, and another half dozen on the way back, without incident, because they were actually well socialised and/or under control.
 
I swear I live in a normal small town with a normal dog population and walk my dogs the normal number of times to be seeing all these but another great one today... a bichon stops on the pavement for a dump, owner looks around to see if they are being observed, yes there's quite a few people in range as we're near the high street and it's busy. They start trying to kick the shit back towards someone's house and mash it into the cobblestones with their shoe. I did ask if they needed a bag, they pretended not to hear me.
 
blackcob said:
I swear I live in a normal small town with a normal dog population and walk my dogs the normal number of times to be seeing all these but another great one today... a bichon stops on the pavement for a dump, owner looks around to see if they are being observed, yes there's quite a few people in range as we're near the high street and it's busy. They start trying to kick the shit back towards someone's house and mash it into the cobblestones with their shoe. I did ask if they needed a bag, they pretended not to hear me.
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How is using your shoe in anyway better or less effort than a bag? 😭 That’s just so weird/gross.
 
splashgirl45 said:
My friend was walking a little way ahead of me and i saw her bend down to pick up a poo, when I caught her up she was balancing the poo in a tissue as she had changed her coat and didn’t have any bags obviously I gave her a bag to make it easier but that’s what a responsible dog owner does.
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I've used big leaves and discarded crisp packets before now until I could get to a bin, if I've been caught out. Admittedly with larger dogs, when you have to do this, it really helps if you don't feed them on utter crap!!
 
blackcob said:
If they can’t be shamed into picking up in broad daylight with many observers then there is no chance they ever intend to pick up.

I had always assumed it was night time walkers that got away with leaving it, turns out people are really brazen.
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People have headphones and phones now for added 'Oh I didn't see that' value.
 
Hi. It’s me. I’m the irresponsible owner today.

Was meeting our friend and her springer for a walk today - say hello, let the cocker off his lead to say hi (they’re his favourites) and like an absolute loon he instead does a 180 and sprints 100m to say hi to a dog we don’t know - that I had been moving away from because I didn’t want it approaching my reactive dachshund 🤦‍♀️😳


He did recall and was very excited when he realised who I had actually been saying hi to. For (I think) a genuinely decently trained and behaved spanner, how he still manages to find new ways to embarrass me and act like a feral beast sometimes, I don’t know. (In both our defence here, I do think there was just crossed-wires about who my ‘say hi’ release referred to…)
 
I may have mentioned the new (actually very nice) neighbour with the big black (aggressive) lab before.
Today I was coming back with my six, on a footpath. Beagle and Puppy on a lead and the rest to heel. Saw her coming towards me so went to a gateway. She only unclipped her dog! He started careering down the path. I managed to get the gate open and my lot through and the gate shut in about 3 nanoseconds.
So he’s snarling and pacing the gate…. She comes down and says ‘oh he just pulls me over if he sees another dog, it’s easier to let him go.’. 🤦‍♀️🙄
I’ve already booted him twice, in earlier meets. Even if she thinks her dog is lovely surely that makes me a nasty aggressive woman who should be avoided? 🤷‍♀️.
 
blackcob said:
I would love to show people like her, and the 'let dogs be dogs and sort it out themselves' brigade, the aftermath of an actual proper dog fight.
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I honestly think she thinks her dog is friendly. His tail is rigid and up in the air, his hackles are up, his head stuck straight up and he makes himself as tall as possible. Everything screams aggression. To be strictly fair he’s never attacked, but the three times I’ve met him when I’ve not been able to turn tail and flee I have boxed mine in behind and kicked him when he gets close.
Maybe he is friendly and it’s me. 🤔. Possible!
Scout will not look at him when he comes close, he turns his whole head away, and I’m sure he’s better at reading body language than a human.
 
Clodagh said:
I may have mentioned the new (actually very nice) neighbour with the big black (aggressive) lab before.
Today I was coming back with my six, on a footpath. Beagle and Puppy on a lead and the rest to heel. Saw her coming towards me so went to a gateway. She only unclipped her dog! He started careering down the path. I managed to get the gate open and my lot through and the gate shut in about 3 nanoseconds.
So he’s snarling and pacing the gate…. She comes down and says ‘oh he just pulls me over if he sees another dog, it’s easier to let him go.’. 🤦‍♀️🙄
I’ve already booted him twice, in earlier meets. Even if she thinks her dog is lovely surely that makes me a nasty aggressive woman who should be avoided? 🤷‍♀️.
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Did you say anything to her?! It’s really dumb of her to release the dog to face up to 6 dogs, no matter how well behaved they are. I can’t imagine risking mine like that.

I remember an incident when I had 3 on lead, Zak Werewolf boxed in behind another dog and my leg against the side of the narrow footbridge and an oncoming owner released his dog instead of just waiting 10 seconds for me to reach the end of the footbridge. Brig did not appreciate this dog flying at him. I just couldn’t comprehend why he risked his dog. 🤷‍♀️
 
TL;DR don't go to the park for the next four days.

For batshit work related reasons (yes, on Christmas eve...) I only had a small window to give dogs a leg stretch and toilet in daylight today, and needed to be home clean and presentable for another meeting, so decided to risk a lap of the park. Good lord. There must have been 30 dogs, many of which I'd not seen before.

A cockapoo, whose owner I have verbally laid into before because it's an aggressive shit with no recall, was unclipped on entry and allowed to carve a wave of chaos from one end to the other. Every dog in its path, on a lead or not, chased/jumped on/growled at. You could hear its progress from the other side of the woods due to the barking and shouting. A huge newfie-cross looking thing took a horse sized dump on the football pitch, no owner in sight. To finish, as we were heading to the exit someone entered with two dogs. I pulled to one side to allow them into the park proper only to have them stop on the narrowest part of the path, load a ball wanger, and launch it <2m to our left.

Mine actually took all of this incredibly well considering but I need a drink and a lie down.
 
2nd walk and all ‘new’ dogs we’ve never met, despite going to the same park twice a day. 2 bitches, one definitely coming into or in season, despite what the owner said. I’ve never had to fetch M away from another dog, he’s just not ever shown interest in bitches. Another dog, owner reckoned she bought him as a beagle which looked remarkably cocker like. Owner said he definitely has spaniel in him. He started getting grouchy with mine who freeze when uncertain so we made a quick departure: he went off to one of the bitches who’d had a little play with mine. Beagle lookalike started having a go at the bitch as I was leaving.
 
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