Is a Highland a Cob?

[quirky]

Is a Highland a Cob or not?

In my eyes, they are cob like, hairy and big boned.

Highland owner on our yard was extremely insulted when new farrier asked what she did with her cob

I couldn't see why she'd taken umbrage at the question.

So, what are your thoughts?

 

[Shilasdair]

No, a Highland is a completely different subset of evil.
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[Honeypots]

I would say not...in my mind a cob has no specific breeding

 

[teddyt]

No, a highland is not a cob. Not anything to get upset about though! If the farrier had said 'what do you do with this fat, ugly yak', maybe

 

[quirky]

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No, a Highland is a completely different subset of evil.
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You no like Shils?????????

 

[Hippona]

To me...a 'cob' is the generic term for as you say...hairy and big boned......but a Highland is a M+M.....and you wouldnt call a sec A a cob would you?

This is my Highland.....and no, I wouldnt call him a cob, and I wouldnt enter him in cob classes as he is a native pony

 

[JM07]

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If the farrier had said 'what do you do with this fat, ugly yak', maybe

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PMSL!!!

 

[quirky]

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No, a highland is not a cob. Not anything to get upset about though! If the farrier had said 'what do you do with this fat, ugly yak', maybe

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You've seen him then

If Poppymoo's is an example of the breed standard, the one on our yard is very much removed from that! ... Let's just say I can fully see why the farrier called it a cob.

 

[the watcher]

poppymoo - lovely pony - is it a cross? Just looked a bit fine for full HiPo

No they aren't the same thing - the Highland is a pure bred ancient native pony with breed standards - the cob is something different.

Both lovely in their way (or evil depending on your perspective) but different - I wouldn't take huge umbrage though if somebody described one as a cob - after all I can't tell a Belgian Warmblood from a Dutch Warmblood

 

[MurphysMinder]

Gosh yours looks very dainty compared with the Highlands I've seen Poppymoo. A little tot that size would have been perched on top like a pea on a mountain

To me a Highland is a mountain and moorland as overs have said.

 

[Taffster]

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No, a Highland is a completely different subset of evil.
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ROTFPML

I am biting my tongue

 

[charlyan]

So how does a Welsh Section D still get called a Welsh cob? Technically they are M&Ms too but there doesn't (as far as I am aware) seem to be any issue with referring to them as cobs...?

Would be interested to know what the distinction would be. Unless it's because Highlands are classed as ponies, I guess. No idea...

 

[Silverspring]

I think of a cob as unknown breeding so no I wouldn't be happy if someone had called my Highland a cob in the same way someone with a lovely Section D wouldn't be happy if that was called a cob.

My farrier did offend a cob owner once by asking what she done with her horse, she replied mainly just hacking, he replied 'That's pretty much all cobs are good for I suppose' she looked like she was about to hit him. I was trying not to laugh, he slags off every horse under the sun but clearly she couldn't see the funny side! He says my Arab is only good for running in straight line away from things, I kinda agree with him

 

[JM07]

because welsh D's are "cobs"...

TRUE Cobs aren't the hairy, ugly lumps that seem so fashionable ATM....

 

[Taffster]

Wlesh D's are most definately cobs and I have shown and won cob type classes with mine! I would be offended if he wasnt placed because he was welsh!
he even won puk hack/cob/riding horse class which had to be judged by an affiliated judge!

 

[quirky]

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I think of a cob as unknown breeding so no I wouldn't be happy if someone had called my Highland a cob in the same way someone with a lovely Section D wouldn't be happy if that was called a cob.


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My first pony was a county standard Sec D and I referred to him as my cob, so can't really agree with the point you are making here

 

[JM07]

origins of the cob...

Over the years, evidence has been found indicating that native breeds in Wales have existed prior to 1600 BC. Even Julius Caesar, upon his traveling to Britain in 55 BC, was enthralled by the Britons and their exquisite chariot horses. According to documentation in the 15th century, the Welsh Cob was part of the essential string of mounts for the British knight. A Welsh Cob or "rouncy" was used to lead the mighty fighting horses known as destriers. As the destrier's natural gait was the trot, the Welsh Cobs had to cover great distances matching the warhorse stride-for-stride at the trot. To this day the forceful and ground covering trot of the Welsh Cob is legendary. During the crusades (1100 - 1500), the Arab stallions brought back to Wales by the Crusaders left their definitive stamp on the Welsh Cob. This blend of the Arab and native type is evidenced by the excellent Cobs of today. The Welsh Cob has made outstanding contributions to man both in war and peace. In 1485, Henry Tudor came to the throne of England only with the efforts of the Welsh Militia mounted on their swift and hardy Welsh Cobs.

Up until 30 or 40 years ago, the Welsh Cob was so valuable to the British War Office that premiums were paid to the best stallions. The War Office used the Cobs for the mounted infantry and for pulling heavy guns and equipment through rugged, mountainous terrain not easily surmounted by motorized vehicles.

In peace, the Welsh Cob (prior to motorized vehicles) was the quickest transport for doctors and businessmen. Quite often, the sale of a Cob was dependent on how quickly he could cover a predetermined distance without laboring. This also forged the way for many of the famous old trotting matches, such as were used to test the original Morgan Horse.

Originally in the first British Stud Books (1902), the Welsh registry listed the Welsh Pony of Cob Type as Section B (12:2hh to 13:2hh), and the Welsh Cob as Section C (13:2hh to 14:2hh) and Section D (14:2hh to 15:2hh). In 1907, the upper height limit for the Section D was removed. In 1931, all Sections of Cobs were combined and labeled "C." This encompassed all sizes of Cobs. In 1949, the Cob Sections were changed to the current standards - Section C as 13:2hh and under, the Section D being over 13:2hh without an upper limit.

 

[JM07]

i think you'll find PS, that welsh D's are ALWAYS called "cobs"...as are welsh C's...

all the welsh breeders i know call them cobs...

they certainly wouldn't be upset

as PS has me on UI...maybe someone could quote my reply to her?

 

[Taffster]

You see Shils I told you my boy was special!

 

[JM07]

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I think of a cob as unknown breeding so no I wouldn't be happy if someone had called my Highland a cob in the same way someone with a lovely Section D wouldn't be happy if that was called a cob.


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My first pony was a county standard Sec D and I referred to him as my cob, so can't really agree with the point you are making here

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thats because PS usually talks bollox....

 

[Hippona]

He's a baby....altogether now.......awwww

so yes he is fine/narrow at present...vet says he will explode width-ways in a couple of years ( he's rising 5)

Looks a bit chunkier in this one......(gratuitous pic....

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[Darkly_Dreaming_Dex]

QR
I have seen clipped out/hogged Highlands and also Connemaras shown in show cob classes rather than M&M

 

[quirky]

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i think you'll find PS, that welsh D's are ALWAYS called "cobs"...as are welsh C's...

all the welsh breeders i know call them cobs...

they certainly wouldn't be upset

as PS has me on UI...maybe someone could quote my reply to her?

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Just for you PS

 

[jumptoit]

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No, a highland is not a cob. Not anything to get upset about though! If the farrier had said 'what do you do with this fat, ugly yak', maybe

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Lol!

 

[Hippona]

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I have seen clipped out/hogged Highlands and also Connemaras shown in show cob classes rather than M&M

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Cant understand the whole hogging thing myself.....prefer em hairy but neat personally....(Hmmmm...just how I like my men

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(runs and hides.....underneath a mound of detangling spray bottles...

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[Taffster]

Oh poppymoo, you dont like the men who carry rugs on their backs do you??

 

[Hippona]

No.....bleurghhhhhhh.......not that blimmin hairy...

just spat tea all over my pooter......am overwhelmed with nausea now Taffster

 

[Taffster]

You put the idea in my head poppymoo, I felt faint and it brought horrible images into my head!!!

 

[lauraandjack]

I always thought a true 'cob' of the showing type was a type of horse rather than a breed. Not necessarily of unknown breeding but a crossbred rather than a pure bred.

Sure someone will correct me but I always thought a cob in the showing sense was small and stocky but not too heavy, with plenty of good bone and capable of carrying weight. I'm sure there's a saying they should have 'a head like a lady's maid and a bottom like a cook!'

Welsh cobs are generally not of 'show cob' type, although some when hogged and feathers clipped will do well in show cob classes. Ditto Highlands.

I think there are 3 types - Welsh cobs, show cobs and what I will refer to as gypsy cobs.

 

[Taffster]

We have a welsh at our yard which is absolutely massive but doesnt have the qualities of a show welsh, the idea is to hog and trim him for lightweight cob classes. A welsh would in general be smaller than a show cob but he looking like a small shire will be fine!