is anyone else watching this thing on bb2 ?

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I wonder how many people who got upset at this programme bother to check the sources of all the meat they eat and how the animals were raised and slaughtered. Not many I suspect.



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erm well i for one do!
organic free range only and i dont eat alot of it.
would rather pay more and have the produce of an animal that had a nicer life.
 
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Oh for goodness sakes whats the matter with all of you. It real life. These people make a living from this, its what they have to do. They do it with the utmost respect for thier environment and the animals that live there.

No its not nice for the horse but its the safest and quickest way.

You can all hate me if you want but I thought the prog was fascinating and am looking forward to seeing where we are taken next time.

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Completely agree with you, amazing insight into a diferent culture!
 
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I wonder how many people who got upset at this programme bother to check the sources of all the meat they eat and how the animals were raised and slaughtered. Not many I suspect.



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erm well i for one do!
organic free range only and i dont eat alot of it.
would rather pay more and have the produce of an animal that had a nicer life.

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I do as well, but a lot of people don't.
 
I could watch it up until when the guy walked over with an axe, I knew then the best thing to do was to hide under the duvet and wait for the OH to say it was safe to watch again. But I wouldn't want to watch a horse being shot either, don't really want to watch anything being killed. I wouldn't complain about it though, or want to stop them doing it, just live in happy fluffy la la land where everything gets magically from the field onto my plate, in neat sterile lumps of meat.

There must be a reason they don't use guns - and it isn't money related as they had satalite TV.
 
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Oh for goodness sakes whats the matter with all of you. It real life. These people make a living from this, its what they have to do. They do it with the utmost respect for thier environment and the animals that live there.

No its not nice for the horse but its the safest and quickest way.

You can all hate me if you want but I thought the prog was fascinating and am looking forward to seeing where we are taken next time.

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What she said. Tbh I felt worse about the conditions the people have to live in rather than the death of horse. Ok so it didn't match up with the fluffy british way of pts in a stable, but it's a totally different situation and culture which clearly works for them.
 
Well me and the OH got nestled down to watch it with our spag bol on my laps and a glass of wine and .......hmmm well not really the content I expected, well wanted to watch when eating my dinner.

I did find it interesting purely because that is real life and Alexandra was shown the warts an all, it wouldn't be the same just letting her ride around in the pictures scenery and not expecting her to see the end result of what they do, she was a very brave lady and I take my hat off to her, I'm not sure I could of stood there and watched it happen in real life, although I did surprise myself and managed to force myself to watch the killing on TV, despite my OH saying ''please turn it over this will upset you for days'' (as I am very soft) but I thought no, I have watched the horses lead a very natural and stress free life, I have watched the men take care of them, I have watched and understood why they do it, so now I must watch final process.

Yes it was horrible, but at the same time there are horses out there that are intentially ill treated, starved to death and lead very stressful and painful lives even in this country and at end of the day all wild animals are hunted down by predators, except this time the predator cared for the animals first.

Many horses that are bound for the meat trade encounter terrible conditions during live transport, being hauled across counties without food or water, with horrific injuries and beaten off the wagon and no doubt killed in more horrific ways in some cases, which I think if far worse that what those guys were doing, although I do wish there was another way they could kill them.
 
i found the program ruly facinating
not what i was expecting at all.
i did however turn over the minute they lassood he horse
as it was clear what was next.
my choice, we all had the choice.
 
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Oh for goodness sakes whats the matter with all of you. It real life. These people make a living from this, its what they have to do. They do it with the utmost respect for thier environment and the animals that live there.

No its not nice for the horse but its the safest and quickest way.

You can all hate me if you want but I thought the prog was fascinating and am looking forward to seeing where we are taken next time.

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Well said Spaniel! I thought the show was really fascinating and yes, it wasn't all fluffy and la la but then life isn't like that and people need to accept that.

This is next weeks show

Alexandra Tolstoy journeys to the area around Jerez in Andalucia, where she discovers a world behind the tourist image of Spain. She has a lesson in dressage technique, which she says is the best hour she has ever had horseriding, and meets a family who excel in fighting bulls from horseback. Alexandra also learns how artificial insemination and even surrogate motherhood are now used in horsebreeding.

So what is the betting everybody will be complaining about the 'poor little bulls' next week???
 
The terrified mare didn't. This is the 21st century; these people have satellite tv. There is no justification IMHO for strangling a horse to the point of collapse then hacking at its head with an axe. It may well be traditional, but it is also barbaric. I have no problem with horses being slaughtered for food, and these people clearly care about their horses. Maybe education about more humane slaughter would help.
 
agreed, catch it, blindfold it and sharp knife to the throat and it will be gone within seconds. A much more humane way of doing things. I didn't watch the programe as was working last night, but am quite glad i didn't now, as it sounds fairy horrific.
 
I don't know how you can say it was quick! The clip we saw was clearly editted, and getting the horse to tighten the rope round the post until it was strangling itself clearly took some time. How come we are happy to contribute to the Brooke to educate people about more humane methods, then say 'oh, its their tradition' on the other? Animal cruelty it wrong, be it traditional or not. That horse was terrified enough to break out of one corral; it had seen other horses slaughtered and knew what was coming. Just horrible.
 
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don't know how you can say it was quick

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There is certainly nothing quick about bashing something's brains in - I agree.

It was a truly horrifying specitical. And whilst I absolutely agree that it's interesting to learn about other cultures - it's also interesting to educate them as well.

Sooty makes a very, very good point about the Brooke.

Guns will operate in temperatures that low, so I can't for the life of me understand why they can't be used.

It's terribly easy to take the moral high ground (both in terms of revulsion at how the mare was killed, and the right of that community to live in the way they see fit). However, I'm absolutely stunned that anyone would defend that way of dispatching any animal quite frankly.
 
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Oh for goodness sakes whats the matter with all of you. It real life. These people make a living from this, its what they have to do. They do it with the utmost respect for thier environment and the animals that live there.

No its not nice for the horse but its the safest and quickest way.

You can all hate me if you want but I thought the prog was fascinating and am looking forward to seeing where we are taken next time.

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Well said Spaniel! I thought the show was really fascinating and yes, it wasn't all fluffy and la la but then life isn't like that and people need to accept that.

This is next weeks show

Alexandra Tolstoy journeys to the area around Jerez in Andalucia, where she discovers a world behind the tourist image of Spain. She has a lesson in dressage technique, which she says is the best hour she has ever had horseriding, and meets a family who excel in fighting bulls from horseback. Alexandra also learns how artificial insemination and even surrogate motherhood are now used in horsebreeding.

So what is the betting everybody will be complaining about the 'poor little bulls' next week???

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Well, I suppose they might. I suppose it might be too much to expect that civilised people with an ounce of decency would want to avoid causing pain and distress to a sentient animal!

Obviously not!
 
good i decided not to watch it!
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skilled people can quickly put an animal down with much less stress by cutting its throat and keep it alot calmer by covering its eyes etc.

not chasing it through a fence, depriving it of air for long terrified minutes then bashing its head in and stabbing it..

yes they have to eat etc but surely some kind of education for the horses welfare wouldnt go amiss..?

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I'd like to see you try - horses put down by knife are normally TAME, and in the case of the mexican slaughterhouses in a crush. Even then there is a lovely video of a horse being stabbed 20 times before it drops.

Are you really that much of a muppet that you think you can get near a wild horse to blind fold it and then stab it in the correct place? The best you could do before getting run over is probably to slit its throat and let it bled to death which would take well over 10 minutes.

I think the problem is not many people see horses killed.
 
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Are you really that much of a muppet that you think you can get near a wild horse to blind fold it and then stab it in the correct place

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Good grief what a totally uncalled for name to call Amanda.

Many, many people were truly horrified at the manner in which the horse was put down - you have absolutely no right whatsoever to ridicule them.

Some of you were not horrified or upset by it - fine. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion.

But please respect the views of those people who were upset and would have preferred to have seen a more humane method used.
 
QR Maybe all the people who think it is okay to kill a horse like this because it is the tradition of these people, would like to consider how they would feel if they arranged for their horse to be pts and it was done in the same way. Education may be the answer here, if that is not too patronising. As a nation, we have come a long way with horse care through that very means.
 
I can accept totally the fact that a lot of people found that distressing. However, to those who suggest the horse has its throat cut instead, it takes a very long time for a horse to bleed to death in comparison to the blow to the head whilst semi conscious.

I would sugest that those who arent open to scenes of bullfighting dont watch next weeks.
 
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I would sugest that those who arent open to scenes of bullfighting dont watch next weeks.

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Nope, daresay I'll be giving that a miss.

No place for that I'n modern society I'm afraid as far as I'm concerned.
 
I found it absolutely fascinating, parts of it were actually quite funny. They obviously cared deeply for their horses and we should remember that and not just focus on how they killed the horse.

I do agree about the way the horse was killed, but I am sure there has to be a reason why guns are not used. Whether that is due to the extreme low temperatures or the fact that it is Siberia, and the "people in charge" in Moscow don't allow Siberians to have guns, I would love to know why.

And how very interesting to see all those horses living happily in temperatures of minus 35 degrees, RUGLESS!!! I told my lad all about it this morning and what a cissy he was compared to them, needing 4 rugs in that prolonged cold spell a couple of months ago.
 
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skilled people can quickly put an animal down with much less stress by cutting its throat and keep it alot calmer by covering its eyes etc.

not chasing it through a fence, depriving it of air for long terrified minutes then bashing its head in and stabbing it..

yes they have to eat etc but surely some kind of education for the horses welfare wouldnt go amiss..?

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Are you really that much of a muppet that you think you can get near a wild horse to blind fold it and then stab it in the correct place? The best you could do before getting run over is probably to slit its throat and let it bled to death which would take well over 10 minutes.

I think the problem is not many people see horses killed.

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yes ive not seen many horses killed- i prefere to see them alive and well tbh.

I am not a 'muppet' and i DONT think I could kill a horse by ANY means, never mind by cutting its throat. I have utmost respect for those able to dispatch animals humanely as i certainly couldnt do it.

and i happen to take offense to being called names on a forum too, and dont see why such a comment was called for.

skilled people can do it properly-bringing down the horse quickly and covering its eyes, NOT the way shown in that clip.

of course im not suggesting someone can wander over to a wild horse and stick a headcollar on, blindfold it and then do the deed and it would be lovely and calm. that would be idiotic and niave to expect that.

I am saying they obviously have some modern items, so why not have a bit more education and welfare respect for the horses in their final moments?exactly what is wrong with that?

i cant see how that particular way of killing any animal is defendable, when there are much more humane ways available...?
tradition and so on is hardly a valid reason IMHO.lots of 'traditional' things are now banned as we have become more educated and moved on.

and i dont see why its a problem people dont see many horses killed.its certainly not on my list of hobbies!
 
I thought it was a good and interesting insight into a totally different culture.
Yes I found it a bit difficult to watch the mare being killed, but I made myself watch it, bacause I wanted to understand the horrible parts as well as the good parts.
I think we have to remember that although we don't eat horse meat in the UK, and find it weird to say the least, it's all they have in places like this. And yes you can argue that they could have cattle or sheep to eat (and kill in the same way presumably) but the horse is a multi purpose animal that can be ridden, milked, eaten and sold, and when resources are limited, that is an important consideration.
The reason they don't have guns is because the government in Russia won't allow ethnic Siberiens to own or use them, and this place is so remote they don't have formal slaughterhouses.
I also think that it would have been wrong to not include that part in the programme. These guys live and die by their horses, and it isn't all pretty. A nice fluffy documentary about sturdy horses and beautiful scenery would be lovely, but this programme was trying to show the 'real' lives of these men.
Those people who mentioned that they can't possibly love their horse if they kill them are being a little naive. It isa totally different culture and it is wrong to judge them by our limited perspective.
All in all, I really enjoyed it, I thought it was well presented and fascinating. I thought AT came over really well, and was brave to do it.
 
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