Is Basic Care Enough ?

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Not sure if i'm being a prat about this but what is the opinion on how much care/attention horses need.

Personally I go to my yard twice a day everyday 365 days per year, sometimes more than twice (infact quite often more than twice) i'm on DIY livery, only four stables on yard, me got 2 and another livery got the other 2 .

The other 2 horses on the yard get the most basic of care it saddens me as when i'm around they neigh constantly for attention.

Their owner comes once a day, they get a huge feed slung in a seciton of hay over the door, water topped up - by end of week its like ditch water, they havent been out for weeks and if they are lucky they get out once a week then mucked out on that day, the rest of the week they stand in crap and half the time have no hay so are picking through the dirty straw looking for feed, they both have terrible stable habits, cribbing etc, it is so sad to see - YO not interested, even though I can't help but slate the owner to YO.

In my opinion its just not enough - surely they need some affection, care, attention, even just regular turnout would be good, sometimes she doesn't even turn her car engine off when she pulls up - that's how long she's going to be there.

Always has her white fury ugg boots and posh cardigan and handbag with her !!

Am I being a nosey cow and should butt out or is she wrong ?
 
I wouldn't call that basic care - I would kick up a small stink about it if I were you.

I'd have a word with a welfare organisation - ok, they probably won't be able to prosecute but they may be able to give some firmly worded advice and that may be all that is needed to kick the woman in question into gear.
 
Shes wrong! there is more to welfare than food and water and from what you have said that is barely being met. YO should be more professional but is obviously just interested in the money, like so many others.

Unfortunately too many people own horses that shouldnt. And why bother to have horses that you dont look after, whats the point.

Grrrr.....
 
I would not feel happy about that either.

It is cruel for her to leave them standing in their own crap all week with turnout once a week if lucky, its disgusting. Poor ponies.
I am amazed the YO wont act, obviously no better then this woman.
I am not sure any welfare places can help as they have feed,water and shelter.
I think she is totally in the wrong
 
i wouldnt be happy with that its neglect.i have a nightmare neighbour but at least the horses are out.wouldnt be able to sit back and do nothing in your situation.its far less than basic care
 
Is there some code from the RSPCA which says that all animals have a right to water, food etc but also the freedom to move. Not sure about that but to me its common sense. Maybe do a search on it......

If the horses were out 24/7 and were being checked on regarding water and hay and general condition daily then I would say thats basic care but certainly not if they are stabled 24/7. IMO this is not basic care and she is totally in the wrong.
 
They would be better off turned out 24/7 .... do you know why she does not do that
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... or does the YO not allow this?
 
Thats neglect not basic care. the owner has a duty to provide adequate mental and physical stimulation according to the RSPCA rules. Basic care is clean food and water, clean stable and some exercise even just turnout.
 
i'm like you twice a day 365 days per year, and sometimes spend hours up their even though i'm 2mins away from stables to house, every time i drive past i stop in car just to watch him in field and check he's ok, think my horse is probably sick of the sight of me.
in my opinion she just shouldnt have her horses, thats terrible what you describe.
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If i were you i would also remind the yo that whilst the animals are on his property he does have a duty of care towards them and as such could also be prosecuted for failing to provide for the reasonable needs to the horses. the list of guidelines on the rspca website is down due to maintenance but i would print that off when you get a chance and maybe just show it to the yo? The prob is that any welfare organisations are not going to be too interested as the horses are still alive and getting some food. Could you stick some of the other owners hay over the doors in the eve? I know its more work for you but if they're hungry then they'll eat it before morn and you'll feel better. if the owner complains then say the rspca told you to. is there any reason they arent out 24/7?
 
I would talk with her first. Say this isn't good for the horses and say how would she like spending her whole life in her bedroom. Offer to turn them out daily. I know it's not up to you and why should you?, but that's what I would do.

I would sooner the extra work than having to see when desperate everyday.
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Well if its any use the guidelines are on this site http://www.newc.co.uk/advice/documents/EquineBrochure09_000.pdf and the main paragraphs are 18-20, 29, 74, 85, 117, 183. i'm not suggesting that you make trouble by any means but maybe by being armed with the right info could make the yo or owner sit up a bit and realise that you are being serious. Mind you, like russoheidi I'd probably end up doing it myself! Good luck
 
IMO this is neglect and you need to make the YO understand that they have a duty of care while the horses are on their property.....firstly speak to him and then if he won't speak to the other livery you will have to...if you get nowhere with them then call the RSPCA that is what I would do. The same as you, I couldn't stand back and watch that everyday, and to be honest I don't know how you've managed to keep quiet when the woman does turn up!!! Also have these other two horses got a paddock? I would also ask the woman why she's not using it lazy cow people like that make me sick to the stomach!!!
 
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Thats neglect not basic care. the owner has a duty to provide adequate mental and physical stimulation according to the RSPCA rules. Basic care is clean food and water, clean stable and some exercise even just turnout.

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My thoughts entirely
 
Mine only get what I call basic care in winter, I haven't got time for grooming and fussing over them when I have four to get done. But they alll get their stables mucked out every day, they go out in the field every other day, they get rug changes, they get clean water twice a day, they get hay and feed and I do try and have a 5 minute fuss with each of them while the water is filling up. What this woman is doing is neglect, not basic care.
 
We are not allowed 24/7 turnout in winter, in summer they are chucked out 24/7 and then sometimes she doesn't come down for days at a time - its often me who fills their trough up during the summer as they graze in their own paddock (as do mine) YO is only interested in her rent but often moans that she doesn't come down enough, I can't talk to over livery about it as I don't talk to her at all - fell out with her months ago over another horsey issue ! I can't get to her hay to put in as its locked up, they do often get some of mine though although to be fair I can't afford to keep doing it I got enough feeding/haying my own 2.

Glad you all agree its tant amount to neglect - I was beginning to think it was me being oversensitve - i'm always banging on at my other half about them poor ponies, how depressed they look etc, etc, - think he gets bored with me.
 
You are wrong about the affection, horses do not need that.

During the week my horse gets skipped out, fresh hay water and I leave. I would like to hear anyone say that I don't love him, I am simply too knackered after work to do anything else.

Perhaps someone needs to have a kind word with this lady instead of bitching about her - for all you know she could have problems at home that you can't fathom...

It really does us horse riders badly to stand or sit around bitching about each other when sometimes (not always granted) but some people could spend their time more productively and offer help.
 
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