Is Carl Hester breaking BD and FEI rules?

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I also think that many of the riders need to tone down on their campness at shows it drives me mad and is not very professional !

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Homophobe
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Get real, that's life
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u find everything offensive thats all you ever say !! i am in the real world, and yes i dont like all this campness sometimes i feel like im in a queen video from 20 years ago at these shows ...dressage is meant to be a professional sport..you dont see all this in football ect.
 
I have just been reading all this and laughing at how out of hand all this has become and aggree that if it was about any other rider it would have been viewed in a completely different manner.
I feel follyfoot6 has raised a very interesting and valid topic which obviousley needs addressing and some peoples responses to this are very childish!!
The original question was not questioning carls riding or anything else, we all know how fab he is.
Maybe some people will feel strongley about this as on the day of comp at somerford park it was very flyey there and maybe carl did have an advantage over other riders who may have also worn fly hoods if they new they could.
Also in the case of noname who is explaining there difficulties in wearing such equipment and how much hassel they have to go through to be allowed to wear the ear covers just to make there horse more comfortable must be slightly infuriating when it appears so easy for others to wear them.
Surely it should be one rule for all to save all this confusion!!
 
QR - am I the only one who is amazed at the number of similar posting styles being used by 'different' users? Rat anyone?
 
why the hell should anyone have to tone down any part of their behaviour... do you think those with broad accents should pipe down, feminine women shouldn't wear pink, and so on?

On the subject of pink - I think there should be laws against it!
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Yes I thought that, I very much doubt they are in a position of authority they are probably just a Carl groupie or wannabe. Clearly gay though.


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That is so uncalled for I do hope you are suitably ashamed of yourself
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As seen in H&H this week there is a photo of Carl Hester on Uthopia winning a PSG competition with his horse wearing ear covers (or what ever you call them). Under BD rule 56 this is not allowed and under FEI rules "ear muffs are under penalty of elimination and strictly forbidden." Or could they be interpreted as a protective fly hood which are "then permitted in extreme cases only".

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I can answer this as just been through it with a friend who rides at FEI levels. For BD national competitions ear covers are not currently allowed without special dispensation. For FEI-rules (internationals) they are allowed at the organisers discretion, provided you apply for permission from the director of your sport (Will Connell in GB's case I think).

If you look at pictures from the European championships at Turin in 07, all horses had them on due to the awful flies. Fair enough.

Don't see why the OP is having a dig at Carl. Not fair.
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Actually no I'm not. At the time of the post there was a discussion as to who it was and all I was doing was throwing in some observation to narrow down who it could be. I think its clearly very obvious the poster was gay tbh and you are questioning why I said that as if its a problem ( is it a problem being gay ?, if you are gay why would or should you feel offended by the suggestion that you could be ) I have worked in Islington long enough to recognise such bitchfest responses straight off.

FWIW if any response was required all CH had to do was say this is who I am, thank you for observations, the situation was this, end of. Its not hard is it.If that had happened this thread would have been over in 4 or 5 posts.
 
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u find everything offensive thats all you ever say !! i am in the real world, and yes i dont like all this campness sometimes i feel like im in a queen video from 20 years ago at these shows ...dressage is meant to be a professional sport..you dont see all this in football ect.

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I fail to see why anyone should have to be "not camp" to suit your delicate tastes. What the heck does it matter?

If you think football is so much more professional, go play football. I, conversely, happen to think that football player sex antics in hotel rooms/rape allegations against players/drugs/drink problems/petulant pitch behaviour (need I go on) are not professional.
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I'm afraid you've come across as a very intolerant person. But at least you were honest, I suppose.
 
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Actually no I'm not. At the time of the post there was a discussion as to who it was and all I was doing was throwing in some observation to narrow down who it could be. I think its clearly very obvious the poster was gay tbh and you are questioning why I said that as if its a problem ( is it a problem being gay ?, if you are gay why would or should you feel offended by the suggestion that you could be ) I have worked in Islington long enough to recognise such bitchfest responses straight off.






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I have stayed out of this post so so but feel I have to reply to this.

WHAT ON EARTH DOES ANYONES SEXUALITY HAVE TO DO WITH THEIR ABILITY TO COMPETE?

Dressage is a test of horse and rider not some bizzare competition where sexual performance and style is marked.
 
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u find everything offensive thats all you ever say !! i am in the real world, and yes i dont like all this campness sometimes i feel like im in a queen video from 20 years ago at these shows ...dressage is meant to be a professional sport..you dont see all this in football ect.

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No just a healthy bout of violence, spitting, swearing and racism at football!!!!
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Who cares who does what as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 


My response

I have stayed out of this post so so but feel I have to reply to this.

WHAT ON EARTH DOES ANYONES SEXUALITY HAVE TO DO WITH THEIR ABILITY TO COMPETE?

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What a strange post, talk about getting the wrong end of the stick
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It doesn't but we were trying to figure out who it was.
 
i never said anything about sexuallity or abillity to compete..all i said was they need to tone down !! I do sometimes wonder why no major money is in dressage or showjumping these days, most sponsors are "horsey related " these days ie sell equestrian products.

And it does matter to me, the sport needs to be more professional to attract the money to it..the last few weeks newspaper stories about dressage riders was shamefull.

I am running horses paying their BD reg, diesel, training, ect and i want to win more than 15.00 per class.

So before you all start slagging me off about my opinions..have a look at the biger picture.
 
There's no point addressing that to me it wasn't my comments. I was quoting back someone who had posted to me.
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I do actually agree with you that in order to attract big sponsorship you need to portray a more credible image. I used to work in a Bank offering huge sponsorship but they wouldn't touch any equestrian sport as they were trying to attract a family market.
 
I really don't think the primary problem with attracting sponsors to equestrian events is the presumed sexuality of the participants.
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And as far as banks are concerned, some of the major sponsors of equestrian events in North American have been banks - they don't seem to have taken your advice.
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In fact I think part of the attraction IS the family market - all those middle class people with horses and kids with ponies get the warm fuzzies every time they see one of their heroes - horse or human - linked with the brand.

It does also beg the question why the more enlightened businesses, the ones that recognise a market with disposable income when they see one and are actively trying to get a piece of it on tv etc., aren't beating a path to equestrian events' door. Perhaps someone should mention the connection since getting money for sponsorship seems to be the driving force behind this thread now.

What a very strange turn this has taken. The things people let loose on the internet . . .
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To the initial question of why someone might get dispensation . . . my guess is because they asked. In my experience that DOES separate "the big guns" from "everyone else" - the big guns ask, perhaps because the have the confidence, perhaps because that's the sort of people they are. Other people seem to assume they will be turned down so don't ask, but often feel hard done by later. It would be interesting to hear from someone here who HAS been turned down on the ear cover subject, specifically someone else at the same show. That might be an actual story. And yes, every now and then, people do get something because they are famous and well known. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. And again, it's usually because they ask.
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Well, it doesn't really answer your question TS, but I can remember a fairly well-known eventer getting the big E in the dressage at a 3-day event a few years ago because she put a nose-net on her horse but did not have the necessary written dispensation for it. she'd apparently seen other people using them, therefore concluded that they were legal (which they are, IF you have written dispensation to use them for that specifically named horse), and used one, and was E'd. Those using them with prior written permission were of course allowed to continue. No special dispensation given there to a well-known rider...
I don't think there is "one rule for them, one rule for us" at all, it's usually sour grapes imho!
 
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I also think that many of the riders need to tone down on their campness at shows it drives me mad and is not very professional !

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I think this a kinda sick comment, to be frank! Your sexuality/personality should never have anything to do with your profession, in the sense that you can be whoever you want to be - not who you have to be. I think it's really sad if little tiny things like peoples sexualities when they're riding annoys you!!!!
 
We have a mare who has a letter to let her use a nosenet at BE & BD it would probably be more sensible to allow their use for all competitors and then nobody is deemed to be gaining advantage.
Incidentally they are not allowed at FEI under any circumstances.
 
Ive not read all of this and dont really get involved in these messy replies. But for goodness sake Carl Hester is our best rider and competes at the highest level possible, first of all it doesnt matter what side he bats for and secondly if he is allowed to use ear protectors on his horse then good luck to the guy. I totally admire him and anyone else at the top they work very hard to get there and obviously have a lot of talent.
 
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i never said anything about sexuallity or abillity to compete..all i said was they need to tone down !! I do sometimes wonder why no major money is in dressage or showjumping these days, most sponsors are "horsey related " these days ie sell equestrian products.

And it does matter to me, the sport needs to be more professional to attract the money to it..the last few weeks newspaper stories about dressage riders was shamefull.

I am running horses paying their BD reg, diesel, training, ect and i want to win more than 15.00 per class.

So before you all start slagging me off about my opinions..have a look at the biger picture.

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i'm sorry...i know this post needs putting to bed now but i really don't think that equestrian sports have problems with sponsorship because Dressage riders are sometimes gay or camp or because some dressage riders got drunk with katire price
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if it came down to such minute details then other big name sports stars wouldn't have sponsors but they seem to?

Ronaldo (accused of rape and always in the papers for drunken antics)
Steven Gerrard (accused of beating someone up in a nightclub)
Michael Phelps- smoking cannbis on the front page of newspapers
Eric cAntona- kung fu kicking a fan
just a couple of examples off the top of my head.
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so to reiterate...i don't think campness is the problem. its probably more to do with the perception that its an elitist sport done by the aristocracy and royalty.
nokia...you may be homophobic but please realise that such intolerance is hugely frowned upon in today's society so i suggest you keep such opinions to yourself from now on.
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...dressage is meant to be a professional sport..you dont see all this in football ect.

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You don't see dressage fans beating seven types of sh!t out of each other in the stands, either.
I can't be arsed to answer your comment about dressage being a professional sport. I find it too utterly ridiculous to make the effort.
 
i'm sorry...i know this post needs putting to bed now but i really don't think that equestrian sports have problems with sponsorship because Dressage riders are sometimes gay or camp or because some dressage riders got drunk with katire price if it came down to such minute details then other big name sports stars wouldn't have sponsors but they seem to?
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My post doesn't mention anything about sponsorship being based on the sexuality of a competitor and yes some banks have supported Zara Phillips for example. In fact the feedback I got was nothing about sexuality it was more the number of falls / deaths in eventing and the antics of some of the showjumpers. I think its only recently that dressage has been in the spotlight, in the main through Sophie Christensen who i think has been a fabulous benefit ( anyone remember her in the papers with Paul McCartney ) and on the flip side the circus that is Jordan who I agree raises the profile in a deadly dull sport but not necessarily for the right reasons.
 
diggerbez get real...we are living in 2009 not 1963

you may be homophobic but please realise that such intolerance is hugely frowned upon in today's society so i suggest you keep such opinions to yourself from now on

How dare you label me as a homo phobe ! Its people like you that our sport doesnt need .

Who said anything about Katie Price ...again jumping to conclusions !!

See as i said you can not see the bigger picture..ie trying to attract famillys to our events...tv companies ect.
 
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i never said anything about sexuallity or abillity to compete..all i said was they need to tone down !! I do sometimes wonder why no major money is in dressage or showjumping these days, most sponsors are "horsey related " these days ie sell equestrian products.

And it does matter to me, the sport needs to be more professional to attract the money to it..the last few weeks newspaper stories about dressage riders was shamefull.

I am running horses paying their BD reg, diesel, training, ect and i want to win more than 15.00 per class.

So before you all start slagging me off about my opinions..have a look at the biger picture.

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As a BD member I completely disagree with your comments.

Yes, the prize money at the lower levels is abysmal, this is primarily because dressage on the whole is not a spectator sport so does not pull in the big money in the way that showjumping for instance does. This is in no way the fault of gay people as you insinuate.

I presume the unprofessional image you refer to is our old friend KP, who to the best of my knowledge is most definately not gay. Just because she spent some time chatting to Spencer Wilton does not make Spencer and therefore (in your eyes) gay people responsible for the paps response to the furore that later emerged.

To be perfectly honest I think that on the whole BD does come across as totally professional, you, on the other hand come across as a bitter homophobe.
 
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