Is Equerry conditioning mash heating?

[Amelia246]

I’ve been advised to put my TB on equerry conditioning mash to help gain weight and condition, however I’ve heard from two people that it is heating, despite it’s ‘non-heating’ formula and low starch. My TB is very laid back and straight forward and I definitely do not want to change that, he is on calm and condition currently which has higher amounts of starch than the equerry mash.

Has anybody else had experience with the mash being heating?

 

[Auslander]

I’ve been advised to put my TB on equerry conditioning mash to help gain weight and condition, however I’ve heard from two people that it is heating, despite it’s ‘non-heating’ formula and low starch. My TB is very laid back and straight forward and I definitely do not want to change that, he is on calm and condition currently which has higher amounts of starch than the equerry mash.

Has anybody else had experience with the mash being heating?

Doesn't heat mine up, but Calm and Condition sends him completely off his rocker!

 

[spacefaer]

Nope - not heating at all. I've been feeding all types on it for years and can't praise it enough. Puts condition on like nothing else I've found, very palatable and makes their feet grow like mad!

Currently got a TB on it and he's as chilled and easygoing as he was before I started him on it

 

[Flowerofthefen]

I'm thinking about putting my boys on this. Is it OK to soak it the evening before to be fed in the morning?

 

[ChipsChaps]

I'm thinking about putting my boys on this. Is it OK to soak it the evening before to be fed in the morning?

We soak the day prior to make feed time flow smoother, if we're flat out we'll soak two days worth at a time. Kept covered and cool, it will easily last overnight.

 

[spacefaer]

@Fern007 yes, that's what I do

If I want it to soak quickly because I've forgotten (!) I pour warm water on.
To be honest, it soaks very quickly in warm weather, slower in the depths of winter!

 

[gallopingby]

I use equerry mash in the winter it works well and keeps them all sane! Used calm and condition a couple of years ago and they all went absolutely nutty! I couldn’t believe how absolutely wired they were.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

There are only 2 of us on the yard so first one there feeds. I need to be able to soak it the evening before. I've just looked through my emails as I thought I'd enquired to equerry about it before and I had. The reason I didn't feed it was that for my height horse 1 bag would last me 3 days!! Cant afford to feed it like that!! Do I need to feed the recommended ration? I need it for weight gain.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

I've fed it for years and never had an issue. I've also never fed it in anywhere near the recommended amounts and it's done it's job just fine.

 

[Auslander]

There are only 2 of us on the yard so first one there feeds. I need to be able to soak it the evening before. I've just looked through my emails as I thought I'd enquired to equerry about it before and I had. The reason I didn't feed it was that for my height horse 1 bag would last me 3 days!! Cant afford to feed it like that!! Do I need to feed the recommended ration? I need it for weight gain.

3 days!! How big is your horse? Equerry recommends around 3.5kg per day for large horses. I don't feed as much as they want me to - probably around 2kg per day, and it works an absolute treat

 

[gallopingby]

A-bag lasts me ages and l feed about a soaked scoop a time. If you use warm water it’s really quick to soak.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

3 days!! How big is your horse? Equerry recommends around 3.5kg per day for large horses. I don't feed as much as they want me to - probably around 2kg per day, and it works an absolute treat

I know, was shocked when she said 3 days. I've still got the email!! He's a 16.2 tb, in light work on ad lib hay!! Might give it a try anyway on lesser ration!!

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

I soak a scoop and that did my tb for 3 feeds. I feed the same quantity to my old shetland but his teeth are dodgy - he is 31yo now. A bag lasts me 2 weeks. There's 12-14 scoops in a bag.

 

[LEC]

It’s a shame the ingredients are so crap. It’s just mostly byproduct of oat. A bit of beet pulp and a small amount linseed. The oil (5) and protein (12%) are low and it’s only 12.5 DE. Much better products on the market to do a better job. It also doesn’t tell you starch levels which always sends off a warning for me. Saying low levels isn’t enough for me as I won’t feed above 8% on any horse now.

Take Dengie Alfa A oil - its protein is 14 and oil is 12 Vs only 5 for equerry. Though I appreciate not all horses will take to Alfa A. It’s DE is 12.5. But the product is better quality and low starch at 2% so much more suitable for TB stomachs. That’s just one I plucked off the top of my head.

I now feed high protein, high oil, low starch on very sharp horses to keep condition.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

It’s a shame the ingredients are so crap. It’s just mostly byproduct of oat. A bit of beet pulp and a small amount linseed. The oil (5) and protein (12%) are low and it’s only 12.5 DE. Much better products on the market to do a better job. It also doesn’t tell you starch levels which always sends off a warning for me. Saying low levels isn’t enough for me as I won’t feed above 8% on any horse now.

Take Dengie Alfa A oil - its protein is 14 and oil is 12 Vs only 5 for equerry. Though I appreciate not all horses will take to Alfa A. It’s DE is 12.5. But the product is better quality and low starch at 2% so much more suitable for TB stomachs. That’s just one I plucked off the top of my head.

I now feed high protein, high oil, low starch on very sharp horses to keep condition.

Hi LEC, what do you feed please? I have a 17 yo tb whilst not particularly sharp I want to keep it that way!! He looks good but as he is getting older it's getting harder to maintain.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I would always feed micronised linseed or Equijewel for condition never had an issue with it fizzing them up, I've got Arab's and they can't have alot of conditioning feeds most nuts make them silly so does anything with molasses and alfalfa

 

[Flowerofthefen]

I would always feed micronised linseed or Equijewel for condition never had an issue with it fizzing them up, I've got Arab's and they can't have alot of conditioning feeds most nuts make them silly so does anything with molasses and alfalfa

I looked at Charlwood last night and they were out of stock of the bigger bags of linseed. They only had 9.5 kg. Will look at equi jewel but I'm sure I've looked at it before and not fed it for some reason!!

 

[spacefaer]

I'm feeding 18hh draught 1 scoop twice a day,16hh tb one scoop twice a day - I reckon on a bag lasting one horse one week.
Currently paying £16/ bag

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I looked at Charlwood last night and they were out of stock of the bigger bags of linseed. They only had 9.5 kg. Will look at equi jewel but I'm sure I've looked at it before and not fed it for some reason!!

Copra is another one that mine didn't react to either.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

Copra is another one that mine didn't react to either.

Tried that, won't eat it!!

 

[LEC]

I feed Saracen releve, Speedi beet (ulcer horse so mainly fed for the pectins) and linseed for calories. Though oil is more effective. I also feed a lot of brewers yeast. Mine also gets chaff as can handle the Alfa A Oil but that’s fed daily immediately before riding or anything mildly stressful like travelling to prevent ulcers. Everything is on the same feed regime and calories are dropped/increased depending on bodyweight/amount of work. So a cob might be on mostly speedibeet but still get the chaff before work. The TB would be on higher levels of releve and linseed split with the speedibeet base over two feeds.

Being the anal control freak that I am I did a spreadsheet a while ago…

Ulcer feeds

Ulcer Feeds.xlsx

docs.google.com

Condition feeds though did this in 2021 so prices probably out of date and maybe new products on market.

Conditioning Feeds

docs.google.com

 

[spacefaer]

@LEC it's really interesting what works for some and not for others.
I tried adding sugar beet this winter to replace some of the Equerry mash (on a cost saving basis!) The two I put on it, were squealing and bucking in their stables
I tried re-leve on an ulcery horse a few years ago - he became unrideably hot - turned out he was cereal - intolerant - but it's made me scared to try it again

 

[Flowerofthefen]

I feed Saracen releve, Speedi beet (ulcer horse so mainly fed for the pectins) and linseed for calories. Though oil is more effective. I also feed a lot of brewers yeast. Mine also gets chaff as can handle the Alfa A Oil but that’s fed daily immediately before riding or anything mildly stressful like travelling to prevent ulcers. Everything is on the same feed regime and calories are dropped/increased depending on bodyweight/amount of work. So a cob might be on mostly speedibeet but still get the chaff before work. The TB would be on higher levels of releve and linseed split with the speedibeet base over two feeds.

Being the anal control freak that I am I did a spreadsheet a while ago…

Ulcer feeds

Ulcer Feeds.xlsx

docs.google.com

Condition feeds though did this in 2021 so prices probably out of date and maybe new products on market.

Conditioning Feeds

docs.google.com

Since not being able to get emerald green grass nuts and grass tastic both my boys have dropped weight. In a fluster at not being able to get their usual feed I chose the more expensive nut and molasses free happy hoof, as I know they will eat that. I was a bit worried as it contains alfalfa. Both seem to be fine but have dropped off. I went to a pole clinic yesterday and trainer recommended alfalfa!! So I've bought alpha a oil and some pellets. I'm introducing it slowly. If they were intolerant I'm assuming I would have noticed it when feeding the happy hoof? I will see how we go. Hopefully it will work a treat. The alfalfa seems to have many benefits!

Eta I've never seen my boys eat their food so readily, they definitely like it!

 

[LEC]

You would know as they either come out in hives or they are bonkers.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

You would know as they either come out in hives or they are bonkers.

They havnt done either so hoping I'm OK!!