Is it acceptable to ask a stranger

[LAMaus]

I have a 5 year old male American bulldog and I want to know, is its acceptable to post a add looking for a female American bulldog owner that would be interested in breeding with my dog. We never got him fixed up hoping to breed him one day if the option ever come along. Now his at the perfect age to breed i want to try find a breeder that would be Interested! I'm also not to sure about the rules of breeding. If its my dog as the male and me not being owner of the female do I still need to be a registered breeder,would there need to be a written and signed agreement? I can find much information on the web so posting here to get you're option. Please be kind. ?

 

[FinnishLapphund]

On HHO all dog questions, including breeding is usually posted in the All About Dogs area, but I'll answer you here.
Regardless if I breed a litter, or buy a new puppy, I expect the stud dog to have a show record. A show title is preferable, but being shown some times is minimum, after all, what's the point with breeding or buying purebred dogs, unless you're sure the puppy will at least vaguely grow up to be like the purebred breed you wanted. The Coronavirus have made dog showing from difficult to non existent, but in that case, in general, I'd rather go for a stud dog with known show record, even if that means choosing an older stud dog, rather than younger dog without show record.

However, a pedigree with interesting lines, "good" names in it, could maybe change my mind. Talking about pedigrees, I fully support breeding recommendations which says that the inbreeding percentage for a litter should be 2,5 percentage or less, to help keep that specific dog breed's gene pool healthy. Not all breeders, nor dog clubs have started to follow such recommendations, but I believe that low inbreeding percentage is the future for all responsible purebred dog breeding.
In the old times, responsible breeders had to calculate inbreeding percentage by hand, either themselves, or a person in the breed club responsible for helping with breeding recommendations used to be able to do it, but these days at least the Swedish Kennelklubben have a page where you can upload the potential stud dog + brood bitch's pedigrees, and get told the inbreeding percentage of a potential litter online. If you find a bitch owner who considers using your dog, the inbreeding percentage should be checked, before mating.

As a responsible owner, you need to know what health checks he's required to have passed to become a potential stud dog. A responsible stud dog owner does not allow his dog to be used in matings which doesn't follow their breed club's recommendations about health tests.
During a quick glance on this page about American Bulldogs http://www.ababulldogs.com/health.html , I noticed it mentions Hip, and Elbow Dysplasia testing, and that "There are two diseases that can affect the American Bulldog for which genetic testing is available."

Apparently one of the two later things, is Icthyosis, which is a skin disorder. I presume it's not as easy as that you can just look at your dog, and say "His skin looks just fine so he can't have it", without he might perhaps still carry a gene for it. That is, it depends on if it's a dominant, recessive or something in between those type of genes involved. As said, I only glanced on the page, so I didn't read all the details.

I know that some breed clubs in Sweden recommends that all breeding animals first undergo a sort of Mentality evaluation, but the club for Finnish Lapphunds isn't one of them. You need to find out if that is something your breed club requires.

Anyhow, I think it is usually the brood bitch owner who finds the stud dog they're interested in using, but once you've found out if your dog is eligible to become a purebred stud dog, perhaps see if there's a breed forum online where you could let potential brood bitch owners know that he's available. But note, if you post an advert for your dog as a stud dog here on HHO, it would be reported for advertising, which is against the rules.
I was about to say maybe you could put in an advert in a local Morning News paper, but us humans who still reads those seems to be a dying out breed. Failing the above, perhaps you could contact some breeders of your breed, to hear if they would be interested in using him, but I'm not sure how that would be received.

Lastly, if you do find a brood bitch, remember to sign a contract! Which clearly says what should be payed, and when, preferably before any mating takes place. But at the very least directly afterwards.
If you instead of pay want a puppy from the litter, make sure the contract says at what point you have to have made your pick. As I recall, in Sweden pick of the litter is usually done before or between 3-5 weeks of age, but I've occasionally heard later being mentioned from other countries. E.g. I've heard of stud dog owners wanting to wait until 7-8 weeks (or on rare occasions, even later than that), but as a bitch owner, that would make me choose another stud dog. Either way, you want whatever agreements you make in writing, to minimize the risk for it ending with problems.

Good luck.

 

[FinnishLapphund]

Oh dear, should have read your other post first, before spending so much time on writing the reply above. Is he the deaf dog you mention in your other post?
If that's the case, I'm pretty sure that would disqualify him as a potential stud dog here in Sweden, regardless of breed.

 

[Cherryblossom]

If FL is correct and you’ve kept a deaf dog entire and want to breed from him, then I suspect that all the excellent information she gave you is pointless because the sort of person with the morals to breed a deaf dog is clearly not doing it for the good of the dog or the breed.

 

[Nasicus]

What exactly would you want out of breeding him?
No ones going to pay a stud fee for a deaf dog, so you wouldn't make any money off of it.
He's not a show dog or an exemplary example of his breed (He's deaf, a genetic defect) so it would be pointless and unethical to pass his DNA on.
You wouldn't want a puppy from it, as like you said, "Buying or adopting a friend for him isn't on the cards right now", and lord knows puppies are both costly and a lot of work.

So what's the end goal here?

 

[FinnishLapphund]

What exactly would you want out of breeding him?
No ones going to pay a stud fee for a deaf dog, so you wouldn't make any money off of it.
He's not a show dog or an exemplary example of his breed (He's deaf, a genetic defect) so it would be pointless and unethical to pass his DNA on.
You wouldn't want a puppy from it, as like you said, "Buying or adopting a friend for him isn't on the cards right now", and lord knows puppies are both costly and a lot of work.

So what's the end goal here?

If the poster is a real poster, I suspect that even though the text part which you've quoted, what they actually did want is the pick of the litter. Since their other post is basically about that their dog also deserves to have a friend, I think they thought that pick of the litter would be a cheaper way for them to get a puppy, than buying or adopting one.

But I doubt we'll hear from them again. If they're real, I presume they didn't like the realistical answers they got. However, even though I don't like to suspect newbies for being trolls, in hindsight, I suspect this was a troll, who didn't bother coming back when their bait posts didn't get the desired upset responses.

 

[Birker2020]

But I doubt we'll hear from them again. If they're real, I presume they didn't like the realistical answers they got. However, even though I don't like to suspect newbies for being trolls, in hindsight, I suspect this was a troll, who didn't bother coming back when their bait posts didn't get the desired upset responses.

I don't understand why you automatically think they are a troll? Why would it be a bait post instead of a genuine question?

 

[TPO]

Good breeders dont need to advertise for bitches.

Their dogs will be good examples of the breed and have been successful at *something* be it in the show ring, working trails, field work etc etc

Dog will be registered with correct association; mainly KC. Breeders can advertise their studs in breed handbooks and/or in places like Dogs World (not sure if this still exists?)

Dependent on breed necessary health checks e.g. hip scores will be done

Bitches should also be health tested and of a good standard.

You only breed the best to the best and hope for a good outcome.

It sounds like you have an unregistered/unshown dog who isnt a good example of the breed standard. This dog should not be bred from.

The type of bitch owners who would reply to a random advert to use a deaf unproven dog are also not the type of dog owners who should be breeding.

Enjoy having your dog as a pet and get him cut. There are lots of dogs who need homes; look at something like that rather than breeding a compromised dog

 

[FinnishLapphund]

I don't understand why you automatically think they are a troll? Why would it be a bait post instead of a genuine question?

If I had automatically assumed they were a troll, I wouldn't wasted an hour or so of my life on writing, and posting reply #2 on Saturday. I really don't like to suspect newbies of being a troll, it was only in hindsight, I began to suspect it.

Why I suspect it, is because they haven't replied back, and because it seems they want to use a deaf dog as a stud dog (deaf dogs might be gorgeous individuals, but it's not responsible to consider using one as a stud dog, hence likely to lead to a hoo-ha if someone posts about doing that, and trolls likes when their posts becomes hoo-has). Lastly, because their other post mentions Australia, and Victoria, and said

but being the breed of dog he is,by law he must wear a muzzle in public areas

Today I googled American Bulldogs + muzzle laws, and couldn't find such a law, neither in Australia, nor UK, etc. If their dog has done something to get a court order saying he must be muzzled in public, then that isn't the same as there being a breed law about it.
Perhaps there's a muzzle law which I used the wrong words for google to find, but if the breed muzzling law doesn't exist, I presume it makes it less likely that the poster is real, and more likely to be something a troll would post, and not expect anyone to fact check.

As said, I don't like to suspect newbies of being trolls, that's why I only said I suspect they could be one, instead of saying they definitely is.

 

[Birker2020]

If I had automatically assumed they were a troll, I wouldn't wasted an hour or so of my life on writing, and posting reply #2 on Saturday. I really don't like to suspect newbies of being a troll, it was only in hindsight, I began to suspect it.

Why I suspect it, is because they haven't replied back, and because it seems they want to use a deaf dog as a stud dog (deaf dogs might be gorgeous individuals, but it's not responsible to consider using one as a stud dog, hence likely to lead to a hoo-ha if someone posts about doing that, and trolls likes when their posts becomes hoo-has). Lastly, because their other post mentions Australia, and Victoria, and said

Today I googled American Bulldogs + muzzle laws, and couldn't find such a law, neither in Australia, nor UK, etc. If their dog has done something to get a court order saying he must be muzzled in public, then that isn't the same as there being a breed law about it.
Perhaps there's a muzzle law which I used the wrong words for google to find, but if the breed muzzling law doesn't exist, I presume it makes it less likely that the poster is real, and more likely to be something a troll would post, and not expect anyone to fact check.

As said, I don't like to suspect newbies of being trolls, that's why I only said I suspect they could be one, instead of saying they definitely is.

Ah okay I see. I was just curious. Thank you for explaining.

 

[FinnishLapphund]

Ah okay I see. I was just curious. Thank you for explaining.

No problem.

 

[KEK]

Yep, here dogs need muzzling if they have been declared “dangerous” by the council or if they are a pit bull (maybe what the OP meant?), dogo Argentino, Fila brasiliero or Japanese Tosa (all banned to import) .