Is it politically acceptable to say he is nuts?

[Ereiam_jh]

"People who hunt enjoy hunting. "

Care to finish this next sentence.... ?

'And hunting involves killing ___________ '

animals and causing them to suffer.

But that doesn't mean that people enjoy causing animals to suffer. Nor does the fact that people enjoy fishing mean that they enjoy causing fish to suffer. Nor does the fact that someone enjoyed serving in a war mean that he enjoys killing people.

You logic is fundementally flawed.

Hunting should be judged by it's pros and cons to the animal population, the ecology and human communities. NOT by some misplaced morality. I've enjoyed hunting but (forgive the capitals) I DON'T ENJOY MAKING ANIMALS SUFFER.

I think that hunting can be the best way to manage wild mammal populations. That's why I'm pro. Not because I take delight in inflicting pain.

The fact is RS thast you either don't or won't understand that simple point.

If I enjoyed making wild mammals suffer and the sight of them dying then I wouldn't hunt, I would get one, put it in a barn and torture it to death.

When I've been beagling the death of a hare caught by the hounds is so instantaneous that you don't really even see it even though it is taking place before your eyes.

 

[CARREG]

'And hunting involves killing.... "wild animals humanely NOT torturing them"

 

[severnmiles]

Whoops...'involves'!!

 

[Fairynuff]

Alan, I was replying to your thread title. I do think that people in positions of power or who are supposed to represent the public should be slightly more informed on any subject that they discuss in public. M.

 

[Boudicea]

It may be a perceived implication but I think you are being very unforgiving on the British public in general if you think they cannot equate between the brain, neurons and response of a fish compared to a fox, for example.

You could try to justify fox-hunting in a way that the general public who are possibly not wise to your so-called countryside pursuits why there is a need for spectatorship and comraderie in the death of one small mammal. You could also try to justify why one of these pursuits inflicts stress myopathy on one of the UK's larger mammals. Your excuses for the chase of foxes and deer do not hold true. Both these animals react and respond in completely different ways to being chased and killed and both suffer differing degrees of stress.

It is possible that if the general public, one day, can believe your reasons for this are not outdated and unnecessary then you may gain more sympathy but so far the persecution of one of our last major land predators in the uk is unjustified and barbaric.

Flying Change, thanks for your comments.

 

[flying_change]

You separate out the activity, then you can separate the argument.

 

[flying_change]

You're welcome !

 

[flying_change]

And you enjoy hunting ?

 

[flying_change]

"But that doesn't mean that people enjoy causing animals to suffer"

I never said they did.

 

[wurzel]

"It is possible that if the general public, one day, can believe your reasons for this are not outdated and unnecessary then you may gain more sympathy but so far the persecution of one of our last major land predators in the uk is unjustified and barbaric."


If this is true, why do DEFRA publish guidelines on how to snare a fox.

This means one of two things.......

1.The goverment don't know what you know.

2.Snaring is not barbaric.

 

[CARREG]

I most certainly do............Carreg

 

[flying_change]

So you enjoy participating in an activity in which an animal is deliberatly killed.

 

[CARREG]

I thought I posted earlier that I enjoy hunting, are you having trouble understanding my replies FS............Carreg

 

[flying_change]

No trouble whatsoever, thanks.

I find it immoral to make killing an animal into a sport, and you enjoy an activity in which an animal is killed. Nice to know that our positions are so unambiguous.

 

[CARREG]

I would find it immoral to enjoy killing animals, the animals I kill are going to be killed 1 way or another I ensure they are killed in quick and humane manner, you, as you have posted in the past would prefer them to be killed by less humane methods such as live trapping and then shooting, as I have posted in the past Ive seen this method and find it far more stressfull and cruel than using terriers/lurchers/hounds............Carreg

 

[Jerome]

"It is the sort of blind bigotry which this man demonstrates which should be consigned to the dustbin of history!"

Cliché-ahoy!