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With regards to pedigree dogs,is it possible to have a Golden Retriever that looks like a Yellow Lab (not long coat at all!)? The same breeder has Cavvies, and one cavvy looks it but slightly short-snouted, another is slightly lanky, and I recall a third who was huge (springer size if I remember correctly). Can these all still be 'full' breeds? It doesn't matter either way, just wondered. I wouldn't change my two for the world :) Little madam and little b*gger that they are!
 
It is not possible for goldies to throw a smooth although labs can throw a longer coated sport.

Sounds like the "breeder" selects by functioning gonads rather than any adherence to breed standards.
 
Is there a way to find out what other people think of this breeder? I honestly don't mind either way, it's simple curiosity! I have the name but nothing comes up when googling.
 
If you know the dogs' names you can check for health testing on the KC website.
Googleing phone numbers is often interesting too.

From your description this is not a good breeder but you handed over money and that is why your dogs were bred - probably no one in the breeds know of this person and unless huge expensive health problems turn up (see the Lisa Walsh thread) people rarely publicise they made a mistake.
 
Is there any way to check dogs registered to the Irish Kennel Club? I've just realised my dogs are registered there, and I searched on the above links anyway but nothing came up.
 
The IKC is less open about registrations - even so far as supporting one breed club that claimed pedigrees (the information on them) were copy write some years back.

Are you in Ireland OP?

PM me some details as I have connections with Irish breeds.
 
Yep, they came over to the breeder who we then got them from. I'm England actually but will PM you when I dig out the info :)
 
If they came over to the "breeder" as pups, surely he/she is not the breeder but just a middle man, or am I missing something.:confused: Unless of course they were breeding terms but it does sound a bit dodgy tbh.
 
E13 said:
Yep, they came over to the breeder who we then got them from. I'm England actually but will PM you when I dig out the info :)
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So that is not the breeder? Do they have a pet shop licence? PM me where you got the pups & I can check.
 
I guess they aren't the breeder, I'm just used to referring to them as such! Both dogs (different ages) were born in Ireland and brought over. They have three breeds, including cavvies. I'm sure they are perfectly ok - s4sugar I am PM'ing now.
 
It doesn't sound a normal set up.... Did you see the puppies parents? Were they kept in a family home? Or were they outside? How many litters did they have for sale when you went? How many dogs were in the premises?
 
We saw our first dog's mum, but not the second dog's parents. The general set-up was a farmhouse with kennels, and I believe they were kept in the kennels. There were other dogs around, pets and kennels, but I'm not sure of further details! They also had two other breeds, and we were involved in someone getting one of these breeds, which I believe was hand-reared as her mother rejected her - the golden retriever who looks like a lab!
 
It is clearly a dealer -otherwise how would the pups be from Ireland?

The place has a boarding & a breeders licence but doesn't appear to have the pet shop licence to sell bought in pups.
How do you know it was MUM you saw? Did you not see where the puppies where kept?

I can't find any show records and the only full (dog) name I can find -for a OES advertised at stud - comes up blank when health checked.

They have two litters for sale at present -one litter shown with a bitch and others with the typical puppy farm held pictures.
 
Hi, this sound like a dealer (a person that buys in puppies they have not bred themselves to resell). To do this legally they would need to have been granted a pet shop licence from their local council. If they do not have a pet shop licence their local Council should be informed as they are trading without a pet shop licence.

If you would like to pm me I maybe able to advise you further (the person maybe known to me already). It is important that we are aware of who is acting illegally by selling puppies without a licence or even if they are licensed to know where and who is selling puppies like this.

If you purchased a GR and looks like lab then it maybe a GR/Lab cross (I owned one that looked like a lab but sire was a GR).

If you were mis-sold and puppy was advertised as a pedigree breed when it is clearly not then this is a matter for Trading Standards because you have been mis-sold.
 
I was actually young at the time - when we got our first dog I didn't go to view her, though I did with our second dog, as we were helping someone else get a dog and asked to see a cavvie (knew what would happen!) so he was brought into the room and ran round loving everyone. I don't think my parents saw where they were kept, though there were definitely other dogs on the premises (getting dog 2 they had actually moved to where they currently reside), and they were told that here was mum, pup and pup's brother, and they were told that dad was in Ireland. As I said I believe my dogs are registered with the Irish KC, I checked the KC and nothing came up.

puppyalert I am not looking to take action or anything, I originally asked about this through curiosity! Though the more information and the less naivety the better. The GR (not ours) does to my eye look lab-like, with a short coat, but I'm not experienced enough to tell. A while back I knew of someone who had also purchased a cavvie and theirs grew to the size of a springer, definitely odd! Mine are definitely cavvies but don't necessarily have typical build or snout size. I can give you the details though, is the person you know in a county in the south?
 
You can only register with the IKC if the pups are born in Ireland and actually the forms don't allow resale as the pup must be directly transferred from the breeder.
IKC registration is not KC registration and puppies sold as KC registered must be registered with the KC (IKC -> Kc is easy but there is a fee )

This is clearly a dealer selling bought in puppies - a pet shop by another name.
 
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