Is it too late to put m mare in foal??

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I have a fantastic SJ mare however she has had her problems in the last year and unfortunately she is lame again :( vet is back next Tues to do more x-rays however if he thinks it best i will turn her away for a year or so i would love to breed from her. As she is such a fab mare, well bred and only 7 i would love to put her in foal but im a little concerned im leaving it too late. Now i know everyone is different and like everything, everyone does things differently. What i would like to know is the cons of this. She will be done by AI as i want to use a BWP Stallion i have chosen. My vet is a very experienced breeder himself so i will also be discussing this in great length with him but it would be nice to hear some of your views :) im hoping it wont come to this but ive got to prepare for the worst. Thanks
 
Hi there,

You really need to get on with asap. My mare was inseminated 30th August and gave birth end of July- due to inefficient equine vets, she went to repro vets in the end.

My foal is wonderful- but very behind the others, I wouldnt have one so late again.

Out of interest- I am heavily into BWP's- which stallion are you going for?

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If you are breeding for yourself then I really cant see any problem with it. Many people however show in hand or do futurities so yes in that case the foal would be behind, otherwise go for it. We still have mares coming in for inseminating, three at the end of this week for first cycles.
 
Thanks both, thats very encouraging and yes i am breeding for myself, this mare is fantastic and means a lot to me, she is the one in my photo, that was her as a 5yo. She is also BWP by Toulon, i have another BWP mare out of Darco and Dams sire is Major De La Cour, who unfortunately doesnt belong to me, i compete her for the owner but i get to choose the stallion for her when we eventually breed from her :D. I have another 5yo BWP mare that ive just bought who i have totally fallen in love with and she is by Cicero z Van Paemel, she is very green as was broken last year then turned away to mature then the owners didnt have time for her so i bought her. She has the most amazing temprement, good amount of bone and a fantastic backend. So because her strengths seem to be my other mares weaknesses i am going to use Cicero on her :) i have been told he is good for lighter mares, my mare is full TB on the dams side and lighter that the normal BWP, and he passes on movement and his backend, my mare isnt the best mover and although she had an amazing backend when she first started because of her problems, if she ever takes a pole now it is behind. I am hoping he will pass on more bone also. What do you think?
 
I don't think it's too late if you aren't worried about showing the foal. But just make sure the extra stresses and strains of the pregnancy aren't going to exacerbate the lameness issue your mare is dealing with at the moment.
 
Roody2 said:
I don't think it's too late if you aren't worried about showing the foal. But just make sure the extra stresses and strains of the pregnancy aren't going to exacerbate the lameness issue your mare is dealing with at the moment.
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Thanks Roody, yes thats something i will definately take in to serious consideration, most importantly because i dont want her to be in pain and also there is a good chance she will come back to competition and i dont want to jeopardise that as she really is a fab mare :)
 
I sent my mare to stud in April 09 she returned to me 5 weeks in foal Sept 09 - I think she was just making the most of her time at the love shack !!! Get on with you swabs etc but you do still have time
 
Ladylina83 said:
I sent my mare to stud in April 09 she returned to me 5 weeks in foal Sept 09 - I think she was just making the most of her time at the love shack !!! Get on with you swabs etc but you do still have time
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OMG that is a long time! I have my vet coming next Tues to check out the lameness and if she is going to need time out, we will then discuss and crack on with getting her in foal. He breeds a lot of his own comp horses and is very experienced with stud work so she will be in good hands... i hope!
 
Good luck with it all. I think cicero is frozen, but with good repro vets all should be well.

The Carthargo sons seem to be doing very well at the moment- I chose one on advice, I prefer the original french BWP lines but it was a financial decision this time.

Others may say it doesnt matter having a late foal, and I do not think in terms of showing- but you can tell the late ones. Having said that, mine was very late and I really wouldnt change him for all the tea in china!

Good luck let us know how you get on.

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mellissa said:
Good luck with it all. I think cicero is frozen, but with good repro vets all should be well.

The Carthargo sons seem to be doing very well at the moment- I chose one on advice, I prefer the original french BWP lines but it was a financial decision this time.

Others may say it doesnt matter having a late foal, and I do not think in terms of showing- but you can tell the late ones. Having said that, mine was very late and I really wouldnt change him for all the tea in china!

Good luck let us know how you get on.

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Thanks Mellissa, yes cicero is frozen but im not too worried about that as with todays technology its a lot better than it was :) i need something with a bit of bone as my mare has a lot of blood being out of a TB mare. My Darco mare was foaled in June and my Cicero mare was end of May and they arnt too bad :D so a July foal wouldnt be too bad, i would just hope it wasnt late!

I will definately keep you updated, i will know more next Tues when my vet comes. Which Carthargo son did you use? x
 
No, definitely not too late. I didn't intentionally do it, but I had two foals born in July, one on the 1st and the other on the 29th, as the mares were sent to stud in May but didn't get in-foal until August! Didn't have any problems and I actually prefered having them in July.
 
Just use a very good repro vet- my mare took three goes- due to me not using proper repros first.

My yearling is at a very good stud with lots of other youngsters- and he has chummed up with another july foal. You can tell them a mile off in comparison to the others- I am not trying to put you off! May and even June foals look much more mature than mine and the other one. I dont know if it is grass or if you are simply comparing them to others who may even be six months ahead.

This time mare is pregnant to Cobra- three months gone now so from one extreme to another- due March.

My next breeding is where my heart is- I am going for Vigo D'Arsouilles- I chose a son of his before as I couldnt afford him. The resulting yearling is top class.

Fingers crossed for you! X
 
I'm trying to get my mare in foal and I do feel a bit under pressure, time-wise. I don't think it's too late, and I don't want to show foals but the advantage of an earlier foal is that they're stronger going into winter.

Don't make the mistake I made though - have your mare scanned now and make sure everything's ok inside and find out where she's up to with her cycle then you can follow her a bit. I waited almost a month for a mare to come into season, and when I eventually took her for a scan, discovered she needed treatment to disperse some fluid she was harbouring and a swab taken. Had I done things right in the beginning i'd be so much farther on now.

Good luck with it!
 
thatnsk for all the tips guys, all seem a lot more positive than i was expecting :D

Good old Vigo, i love him, such a shame Trooper has gone to the USA, i was thinking him for my Darco mare! I love Cicero and im very keen on him at the moment but any other suggestions would be appreciated. My mare lacks a little in bone, movement and a bit in confirmation so i would want something to complement that, she has a great temprement and is quite sensible so something with a bit of go isnt a problem :D but must have a good temprement x
 
I must admit that is why I like the french - Ibrahim line- size and movement. I stick to the Joris de Brabander De Muze Stud crosses (owner of Vigo, owner of Nabab, Pachat II, Fleuri du Manoir etc), as they have internationally proven crosses already. Except for last time when I chose Cobra- the resulting foal will be three parts brother to Conrad De La Vie and it is sold already.

You have quite a lot of dutch in your mare's pedigree- why not have a look at Nijhof or VDL stud-Concorde is a lovely and well proven stallion. He produces lovely stock with great movement, bone and jump. For the money- Cicero is quite expensive I think, but then he is really successful and you already like one of his youngsters.


My Super Trooper yearling is going to be a top class horse- please I got in there when I did! X
 
I grew up with Nicky Boulter, she is gutted Trooper has gone to the USA, i think everyone is!! I do like the french stallions but have to be a little careful as she has a lot of blood already and i need some bone. I have always loved the Alme/Ibrahim line, i had a fab mare a good few years ago that did a tendon at Hickstead so we put her to Animo, unfortunately she absorbed and by then it was november/december (from memory) so we couldnt do a lot so brought her back in to work slowly. Ive just got off the phone to Ken @ The Stallion Company, he was very very helpful and said Kanna would be a perfect match for a Toulon/TB mare as she also has a bad mouth and Kannan complements this. God im getting excited now, half say just do it anyway but the other half says no wait and see if i can get be back competing! Ken was also telling me how much Toulon sold for OMG!! But he got injured so is now back in Belgium at stud, the italians cetainly lost a lot of money on that one. I can use Twemlows as they are only 40 mins from me and Ken said they have frozen Kannan semen so i wouldnt have to pay shipping costs and although a bit more than Cicero, bu the time you add shipping on its about the same, plus you get live foal guarantee with Kannan and not Cicero...... decisions decisions, just need to find about £2k now to get me started :/

I had a concorde mare from a friend she was very very nice, i was going to buy her but she ended up having a stifle prob so thats how i ended up with my cicero mare instead.

Have you had any foals this year melissa? x
 
It is great to have the LFG- particularly with a higher stud fee. I do know someone who has taken two years with Kannan, mare still not in foal- but then it is half the mare of course!

Twelmlows are known to be very good, so I would most certainly use them if you can. If they have semen there- crack on. I put all my breeding this year on a credit card- whoops. Very exciting for you!

I have no foal this year, as the mare didn't foal until end July last year. So we just got on with it this year and she took first time with chilled. She is due in March so I should think we will breed from her again next year- she is a great Mum and loves that life.

I just dont tend to mix breeds too much, perhaps that is the wrong thing- I like to have french or german blood with her- as that is her pedigree. That why I suggested dutch blood for yours- but some people cross lots of different horses and it works! Billy Congo is a great example of lots of different breeds and he has turned out very well.

I hope to see a post confirming your mare's pregnancy soon! X
 
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