Is my boy a Dutch warmblood?

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Hello! My husband has just bought me a yearling as a first anniversary present. He isn't very horsey and so just saw him and paid for him but I'm keen to know what breed he is.
His mother is a welsh cob x Hanoverian and his sire is a Dutch warmblood. Does this make my boy a Warmblood? I'm eager to find out his heritage.

Thank you :)
 
Thanks guys!
We haven't got him home yet as we are waiting for him to be gelded first. I have spoken to the lady at the stud farm but I'm getting nowhere really. I asked her about his passport and she said It's just a weatherby's passport. Which tells me nothing. Then she told me to look in the Horse and hound at a picture of his half sister jumping on a hunt! Which again, doesn't really tell me anything LOL!

All I know is that she is calling him a warmblood because of his sire and because of the Hanoverian in his dam.

I know that his sire is a 17.2 Dutch Warmblood called white water mountain music.

I'm confused. When people ask me what breed Flash is, I don't know what to tell them definitively.
 
He probs just has a wetherbys I.D passport, stating basic identity. My boy has one and although I know his sire and dam, in his passport it just says unknown. It being like this as it was a cheaper alternative than to get him fully papered with a covering cert etc.

ETA: Mutley75 - I always thought this, until I bought my boy and like I have said they do normal I.D passports just like the other passporting companies :)
http://www.weatherbys.co.uk/horse-passports/id-passports

Also for your boy to be a dutch warmblood, would't he actually have to have been born in Holland?
 
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Thank you Mutley75! Oh my goodness, I'm even more confused now. I'm trying my best research wise and I don't mean to bad mouth anyone but the lady who has him (her son is the owner of the stud farm) doesn't seem to have a lot going on up top. She's in her own little world if you like and talking to her is frustrating. Help!
 
Hi Aidey!
yes that sounds more like it as she said it was a basic passport. I'm not sure about the 'Dutch' Part. All it says on the internet is that there are so many different breeds of warmblood and a dutch warmblood is a horse from dutch breeds if that makes sense. God knows. All I know is Flash is going to make 16.2+ and is skewbald with a black mane and tail. I think I should just call him a warmblood as Hanoverian's are a warmblood (dams sire) and his dad is a Dutch warmblood, just not sure where the Welsh Cob fits in on his mothers side. (a very bizarre pairing if I must say!) lol.
 
Aww well best of luck with him and when he arrives we need LOTS of pics to nosey at :D

And how lovely of your husband to do that for your anniversary, I hope he know's what he's let himself in for for anniversaries to come! ;):D
 
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Thank you! I'm not sure if that link will come out ok but that was taken last year. My nephew calls him the cow - pony! Hehe!

Yes I've been spoiled! Huge brownie points for my husband! And I have to say, he didn't do badly considering he knows pretty much nothing about horses! hehe
 
He would be classified as Warmblood but the sire doesn't have any proven breeding. I only know this as had a livery that was bought in foal to him and had the same question as he is listed as a Dutch WB but hasn't got any breed papers to prove it. The foal that the mare had is indeed very smart and going to be a strapping big boy as wearing 5'3-5'6 rugs at 6 months old. I remember seeing your boy as a foal on the stud's website and thought he was a cutie. You should be able to get a CHAPS passport for him if he has not been done yet or at least have him overstamped with CHAPS.
 
eventrider23 said:
He would be classified as Warmblood but the sire doesn't have any proven breeding. I only know this as had a livery that was bought in foal to him and had the same question as he is listed as a Dutch WB but hasn't got any breed papers to prove it. The foal that the mare had is indeed very smart and going to be a strapping big boy as wearing 5'3-5'6 rugs at 6 months old. I remember seeing your boy as a foal on the stud's website and thought he was a cutie. You should be able to get a CHAPS passport for him if he has not been done yet or at least have him overstamped with CHAPS.
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So does anyone know if White Water Mountain Music was a Warmblood at all? Who was his sire supposed to be? Is there any knowledge of his breeding?
 
I believe that my friend who had the foal by him traced his sire down to the stallion Sunny Boy (Ferro) but I haven't got concrete proof of that myself. No idea of dam line.
 
Thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly, I did see that link on the sports horse web site and how nice it would be if he was related to Ferro and Ramiro Z but alas that particular Sonny Boy was born two years after White Water Mountain Music, which is what raised my curiosity in the first place.
 
I noticed you said the sire was White Water Mountain Music, I also have a mare who was sired by him, if you look on the internet at white water mountain music you will see pictures of him. My mare is 8 years old and a beautiful girl
 
What a lovely hubby!!!:D He'll just be a crossbred not an actual breed, so if anyone asks just say he's a WBx to avoid confusion!!:D
Have to say have just looked up White water mountain music - I don't think i've seen such bad conformation - why on earth is it being used for breeding?!
 
Alexart said:
I don't think i've seen such bad conformation - why on earth is it being used for breeding?!
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From the stud website-
"He has exceptional fertility and produces exceptional coloured and also Sabino foals, and has never produced a solid coloured foal."

His photos don't inspire confidence.
 
The sire doesn't look like any KWPN I've ever seen.
http://www.tokenbowstud.com/pictures_whitewatermountainmusic.htm

He has no pedigree either according to sporthorse data. His sire is unknown, as are ALL others in the line, except the dam who is allegedly a WBx.

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10491435

In answer to your question OP, even if the sire were a pedigreed warmblood (which he isn't), your youngster would still not be a registered warmblood. The horse is a crossbreed. Nothing wrong with crossbreeds but I hope your lovely husband didn't spend much money on this youngster otherwise he's been duped :(
 
sorry to go off on a tangent but has anyone noticed on the token bow website that if you go onto "token of honour" a lovely piebald, that when you click on his picture a completely different horse with different markings and a freezemark shows up? how strange!


p.s OP your youngster sounds lovely and whatever breed hes classed as im sure you'll have lots of fun :)
 
pudz02 said:
sorry to go off on a tangent but has anyone noticed on the token bow website that if you go onto "token of honour" a lovely piebald, that when you click on his picture a completely different horse with different markings and a freezemark shows up? how strange!
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I think the first photo has been flipped. The markings on the RIGHT side match the markings on the first photo.
 
eventrider23 said:
I believe that my friend who had the foal by him traced his sire down to the stallion Sunny Boy (Ferro) but I haven't got concrete proof of that myself. No idea of dam line.
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Did you get any further info on white waters parentage?

Its strange as i have a 4yr old that is out of Ynys Prince who is out of WWMM and my horses mum is a hanovarian. what was the breader called are they in wales by any chance?
 
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