Is my horse dun or buckskin??

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I know the difference but cant work him out!

This is him at a year old

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At 2 years old the black line seems not to be there or widened (sorry these arent great pics - ill try and get more piccys over the weekend when I can get a lift up there as im broken at the mo!)

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Also would love your thoughts of how he looks, height he will make etc.

Mum is the bay in my signature 16.2hh 1/2Trakhener x 1/4 anglo arab x 1/4 welsh d.
Dad is the cremello danish warmblood in the first pic in my signature.

Kat :D
 
ive been told that the eel stripe does not definitively mean a horse is dun - the only was to know for sure is a blood test to check for the cream gene. In this is, is it not more like counter shading than a proper stripe?

lovely horse btw
 
Thanks - im sure you can see how I could quite be sure!

Any ideas on what height he may make - he is standing at 15.1hh now and was 2 in June. Mum was 16.2hh, Dad was 15.2hh.
 
This is what is said about his Dad:
Tosca carries two dilution genes so all his foals will inherit one from him resulting in only palomino, buckskin (dun) or smoky black offspring from solid coloured mares.
 
Definitely buckskin. There's no dun in any of the breeds you've mentioned as far as I'm aware. Buckskin happens when a bay horse gets one copy of the cream gene which is exactly what happened with yours. The stripe on his back is countershading, a true dorsal stripe is more clearly defined with straighter edges.

He's very nice :)

Edited to say oops, just saw Eluana's reply! Snap :)
 
They are two different genes/colourings.

Buckskin is caused by a horse have a single cream gene on a bay horse.
Like Palomino is a chestnut horse with one cream gene, smokey black is a black horse with one cream gene and so on.
Cremello is chestnut with two cream genes, perlino is bay with two cream genes and smokey cream is black with two cream genes.

Dun is a different dilution gene which causes a crisp edge dorsal stripe, leg barring (zebra stripes), face mask and shoulder barring, as well as other identifying traits.
These all have specific names depending what the horses 'base' colour is as well.

You can have horses with both cream and dun genes, so you can get a 'dunalino' a palomino with dun, and a 'dunskin', a buckskin with dun and so on.
 
oh i love these threads about colouring some of you really know your stuff on colour
yep i would say buckskin
i wonder what colour you would call the horse in the pic with a diff colour mane and a black body
 
haycroft said:
oh i love these threads about colouring some of you really know your stuff on colour
yep i would say buckskin
i wonder what colour you would call the horse in the pic with a diff colour mane and a black body
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She is black but that picture was when she was a yearling and still had her foal fluff at the end of her mane!
 
Buckskin, and palamino, are caused the the incomplete recessive cream gene, when it is present it is visible as a dilution. A cremello is double recessive, hence why it always produces a dilute. However, the cream gene can be present alongside the simple dominant dun gene, and will mask the characteristics of the dun gene, so it is possible to have a cremello that will produce what is known as a buckskin dun, if it passes on the dun gene.
 
So what is my mum's boy then i'd say dun. He has a Bay mum and coloured dad that normally throws coloured foals but he came out like this:

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In this you can see the shoulder stripes.
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His dorsal stripe and the white spots.
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Any ideas.
 
Sammii819 said:
So what is my mum's boy then i'd say dun. He has a Bay mum and coloured dad that normally throws coloured foals but he came out like this:

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In this you can see the shoulder stripes.
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His dorsal stripe and the white spots.
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Any ideas.
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I'd say dun too, unless the sire has the cream gene he can't be buckskin. What colour is the sire? Do you know your boy's breeding?
 
His dad was a piebald cob x called Apache.....nothing known about him, googling that name is like googling Smith or Jones, his mum is Moorbridge Magpie a NF run mare.
He is Moorbridge Sundance (Solar)
 
Sammii819 said:
His dad was a piebald cob x called Apache.....nothing known about him, googling that name is like googling Smith or Jones, his mum is Moorbridge Magpie a NF run mare.
He is Moorbridge Sundance (Solar)
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That's interesting, I wonder where the dun is from? As far as I know dun only occurs in highlands and shetlands out of our native breeds, it doesn't occur in New Forests. Maybe Dad is hiding it somehow??
 
That's interesting, I wonder where the dun is from? As far as I know dun only occurs in highlands and shetlands out of our native breeds, it doesn't occur in New Forests. Maybe Dad is hiding it somehow??
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I know that is what i thought, he normally throws coloured foals, his two full sisters are both dun and white......
Haven't seen dad but was told he was cobby and coloured, so he might have highland in him somewhere.
Solar also has white spots coming up everywhere.
I call him the spotty dun.
 
Sammii, I would say your horse is spotted (slightly!). He's like a few spot Appaloosa & his eyes look like an Appy's.

We have a blanket spotted Appaloosa cross & although I'd describe his ground colour as bay, it's quite dun-ish, ie brownish legs, not black. No signs of a dorsal stripe on ours because of his blanket.
 
OK, this whole subject causes me confusion !!

I have a mare who i refer to as dunn, she is conemara cross tb, dad was Arrow Javelin - Dunn and mother was tb cross and chesnut.

No dorsal strip

so is she dunn or bucskin ??

I would attempt a photo upload if i knew how
 
It does get all rather confusing doesn't it.

Upload photos from your computer on to your H&H album found in User CP, then copy the image URL, press the Insert inmage icon on above the reply box you write your reply in, and paste the URL into the box that pops up. Done then.
 
gingerarab said:
OK, this whole subject causes me confusion !!

I have a mare who i refer to as dunn, she is conemara cross tb, dad was Arrow Javelin - Dunn and mother was tb cross and chesnut.

No dorsal strip

so is she dunn or bucskin ??

I would attempt a photo upload if i knew how
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Photo didn't work but she has to be buckskin as neither of those breeds have dun.
quick edit as photo just appeared - from the picture she is sooty buckskin or a strange shade of bay
 
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gingerarab said:
OK, this whole subject causes me confusion !!

I have a mare who i refer to as dunn, she is conemara cross tb, dad was Arrow Javelin - Dunn and mother was tb cross and chesnut.

No dorsal strip

so is she dunn or bucskin ??

I would attempt a photo upload if i knew how
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Definitely buckskin, Arrow Javelin is buckskin. There is no dun in connemaras or TBs.
 
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