Is Otis Ferry fox hunting's worst enemy?

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Agghhh, it must make some of you who want the ban repealed boil with anger, never mind the antis. What possible good do the CA and/or Otis Ferry think it will do to have two pages of anti-anti rant published in the Sunday Times, including this gem:

"I'd just like to round them all up and get them in a Clockwork Orange-style cinema and try to clear this mental block they have."

People thought Simon Cowell was a problem, but he's not half as much of a problem as famously named fox hunters coming out with stuff like that.
 
Just the sort of thing I would expect of them...the arrogance has to be seen to be belived! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Simon Cowell 1,CA.. nil. Oh I love it!!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
 
it seems any tiny morsel of a chance to get in a dig at the hunting fraternity is quickly pounced upon- Otis is an overgrown schoolboy who needs to rapidly grow up i do admit, yes, he's doing no favours for the pro hunters but get a life for gods sake, and forget the sniping, just for once!!
 
After decades of abuse from the mindless minority, are we not allowed to occasionally call them names?

Otis is the wildcard, but he says what we feel. He's just another normal huntsman, who happens to have a famous daddy.

He feels the same frustration, anger and sadness that the rest of us do. He is facing losing his job (although, perhaps not his career!) because of the whims of the class warriors.

And he is young. He freely admit he does some hot headed things, but when you've nothing to lose, you don't think these things through.
 
i have to say i don't think he does anything to dispell the 'public schoolboy toff' image that 90% of the public have in mind when they think about the hunting fraternity.

the same way whenever the BBC et all interview a pro-hunting supporter they seem to have a silver spoon so far down their throat you can barely understand them.

perhaps the CA needs to put across a few more 'ordinary' people as the spokesmen for the sport?
 
What, like Skiddaw Lad?

Might as well sound the death knell for hunting now!

Unfortunatly country types are notorious for being stereotypical extremes. I go to uni with a bunch of farmers who either believe if you can drive a tractor over it, you should be seeding it (with or without the CAP reform!) and who have an unhealthy obsession with dairy cows...

Unfortunatly the countryside just doesn't have any representatives you could describe as normal! Well, normal to the weird and wonderful city types anyway!
 
um, not sure if that is directed at me Harpers Gal but it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me i'm afraid?

i live out in the country and know many people who could put their point across on tv and in newspapers without looking like an arse
 
But your cause depends on keeping people in the middle like me on your side, Harper-gal, and having this stuff published is suicidal. He has everything to lose - he has a repeal to lose and he is going about it just the right way.

The Countryside Alliance puzzle me too. The papers are also full of the argument "more people than ever turned out to watch the Boxing Day meets, therefore the ban should be repealed because it shows Joe Average does not agree with it" How? Surely it shows he DOES agree with the ban, if more of them are prepared to got to the meet??

I'm afraid we have months of this to argue about now, since Labour have chosen to make a Class War point out of it for the election and the Countryside Alliance are jumping on every bit of publicity they can get out of it (and as a marketer it looks to me like they are making a right hash of it on your behalf).

Does anyone know if they had any control/influence over Otis giving that interview to the Sunday Times, because that snippet was just a tiny taster of the whole? The reporter has clearly allowed him all the rope he needed to hang himself and his cause.
 
"But your cause depends on keeping people in the middle like me on your side ..."

Oh, I think we'd be wasting our time. Quite frankly one of our worst enemies is the naive JP, C P Trayes. No opportunity for a cheap dig at hunting proper goes unmissed. Even her own drag pack don't tell her their Boxing Day meet's cancelled.
 
He might be just saying what everyone else is thinking but he's a bit daft to say it to a journo whose eyes are firmly on making snappy quotes that can be used to support the general public's view that hunting is about self righteous posh people who think they have a right to hunt... Not that I agree with that perception but if he thought that he was going to get a balanced and fair article out of that interview, he was extremely naive.

I'm sure cptrayes can defend herself but surely sniping amongst ourselves is rather against the spirit of the hunting fraternity, no??!
 
In his defence he has been through alot regarding anti's etc, so I should imagine by this point the situation is proving rather tiresome! Remarks such as that are probably created by utter frustration, as said, he has produced some very good interviews!
 
i AM fully aware of how he is, not being naive myself, and i have been young and foolish in my time too!! i agree hes been through alot of unnecessary nonsense, just cos of who he is, but he needs to come down a peg or two as hes not helping himself, also i dont think falling out amongst ourselves is helping the cause at all, we all have different opinions but lts agree to disagree on some of these points. i do tend to agree with S. lad concerning the CA, the more info they send me and demands of ever increasing donations i dont feel they are representing the ordinary hunting person at all anymore.
 
it seems any tiny morsel of a chance to get in a dig at the hunting fraternity is quickly pounced upon- Otis is an overgrown schoolboy who needs to rapidly grow up i do admit, yes, he's doing no favours for the pro hunters but get a life for gods sake, and forget the sniping, just for once!!
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Oh per ..lease! hardly a tiny morsel!!!!
 
anti-hunting people are saying the exact same thing though..but they don't come out publicly and say it.

They can't understand how the pro hunting groups don't see anything wrong with what they are doing.

Both groups are banging their heads against different sides of the same fence trying to get the other side to see their side.

but by the looks of things otis needs to hold his tounge,he's not doing the pro hunt group any favors,hes just giving more ammo to the antis.
 
anti-hunting people are saying the exact same thing though..but they don't come out publicly and say it.

They can't understand how the pro hunting groups don't see anything wrong with what they are doing.

Both groups are banging their heads against different sides of the same fence trying to get the other side to see their side.

but by the looks of things otis needs to hold his tounge,he's not doing the pro hunt group any favors,hes just giving more ammo to the antis.
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You are absolutely right about both points. I've read the article four times now because I can't believe he was stupid enough to say what he is quoted (and no doubt recorded) as saying. He is 27 not a child.

"When I ask how far he would go [to support hunting] he says: 'blow myself up on a bus?'"

Of course it was said with irony, but how crass can you get?
 
I don't know Otis Ferry but he comes across as everything the antis say all hunters are; privileged upbringing, self righteous, thinks the laws of the land don't apply to him & a is a bit of an idiot.
He's also too old to say he's young & foolish, he's in his late twenties & should know better.
The Countryside Alliance should try to keep him out of the press as much as possible as he isn't doing their cause any good at all.
As for the bus comment, he must be very, very stupid to say that.
 
..... all hunters are privileged upbringing, self righteous .....

Hold Hard please.
I was under the impression that all we "hunters" were supposed to be singing from the same song-sheet?
Yes, OF may well be as quoted above but so are many other hunting people - and it is not actually a sin to have had a privileged upbringing.
However, I would say that they are now far outnumbered by us "ordinary folk" (for want of a better phrase), who have to cut financial corners in other areas of our lives in order to keep the whole hunting show on the road.
This sniping is exactly what the antis love to see - and they do exploit it to the best of their ability.
I can only assume from their comments that "fuffy" is one of them - who have no experience whatsoever of trying to earn a living in the countryside.
Where IS Willy Poole when we need him?
 
hi Mr Woof, i think turkana was quoting antis twaddle, not her/his own feelings here-(bloody hope so)else i would have replied differently. OF is in the "firing line" cos of who he is, and his silly antics haven't helped the cause at all- who knows on herewho might have a "priviledged" upbringing anyway!! could be you, me or the man on the moon- makes no odds. did you have a good christmas?
 
From an anti point of view I think Otis has constantly given hunting a bad name. He is constantly in trouble for harrasing MP's, assualt (which includes women), drink driving, robbery and obviously for his part of storming the commons. I seem to remember him on question time a few years ago where he made himself look a right plonker!

He is like a slightly posher version of Pete Docherty!!
 
I also constantly harrass my MP.
Unfortunately for him, he only lives about 5 miles from me.
He now runs in Orange colours but when at University, was a card-carrying member of The CP.
I did, actually, send him a note and a pair of tweezers to extract the many splinters in his bum from sitting on the fence re: this particular issue.
He tells people what they wish to hear - on many other subjects apart from this one. Some of which are very important to this constituency's rural communities.
As for OF storming The House of Commons.
Very well done him - and the rest of the boys.
As for your PD comment - it would be absolutely impossible to hunt a pack of hounds after consuming illegal substances.
A Huntsman needs all his senses in full working order.
An apology to OF is required on that particular point please.
 
It amazes me how you can stick up for him really, but then its each to their own I suppose!

I certainly wont be apologising Im afraid! I see him as a vile person (hunter or not). I just wonder if you would be so supportive if it had been any other support group who had stormed parliament that day? I dont think they would have got away so leniently either!!

Anyhow, I think Otis's antics will catch up with him one day............
 
I've just had a read of the article and I have to say he comes across in that as a bit of a plank. Yes I understand he's frustrated and of course there is always the chance that he has been mis-interpreted / skewed by the press / interviewer depending on their agenda. But assuming that interview was fairly well impartial to allow Otis to say his piece they didn't need to help him make an idiot of himself - talk about handing him the rope to allow him to hang himself!

he may well be frustrated by the current situation as are many of us but IMO in that interview he came across as portraying many of the stereotypes assocaited with hunting - the insular, holier-than-thou, public school toff. That is not an image that needs to be fed to the press and neither is it an image that needs to. I've only started hunting this season (and on foot at that) but the majority of people I have seen would portray a better image than Otic - sensible, hard-working, fun, eloquent and informed. Of course people camapigning about a cause are going to get passionate and het up when talking about it, that's only natural but at the same time there is a difference between spouting what only amounts to drivel that will make you and your cause look ridicuous and then there is presenting an informed argument that even when it is said with passion still makes sense!
 
I am not "sticking up" for anyone.
It is just my opinion that we hunters (this very obviously does not include you), should all be singing from the same song-sheet.
You see OF as "a vile person" - but do you know him personally?
NO. You do not, so are in no position whatsoever to comment.
Suggest a zip is now in order please as OF does love his hounds and his hunting - and his heart is, very obviously, in the right place.
Rather too verbose he may well but "vile" - no way.
 
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