Is Otis Ferry fox hunting's worst enemy?

do not concern yourself anymore- i've had enough of your disgusting insults which i assume you type with a grin on your face, i am not lowering myself to your level of trivia so i am putting you on the ignore button. you i think have a personality problem with a huge gorilla on your back- anyhow, adios- find another mug to impose your vile, childlike abuse on.
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Sorry to hear you feel so strongly but yet to find "disgusting insults" in my posts??? Just more of your symtoms of ...well you don't need me to tell you. Anyway, I have grown bored of you now... little challenge to me. BTW... welsh hills sounds a very good place for you to be,LOL!
 
"And from someone who lives in the neighbouring constituency to the one you intend to fight, do you really think that hunting features in the top ten priorities that the average voter has in mind."

You are quite right, combat_claire, but the likely consequence of a Conservative victory - for whatever reason - is a return of fox hunting and/or hare coursing. That is one of the Conservatives' top priorities and the Countryside Alliance practically runs the Conservative Party these days. Is that what the average voter wants? I think not.

BTW, I have other priorities, too, one of them being to get our boys out of Afghanistan. I wonder what Otis Ferry's thoughts are on that one.
 
"You are quite right, combat_claire, but the likely consequence of a Conservative victory - for whatever reason - is a return of fox hunting and/or hare coursing. That is one of the Conservatives' top priorities and the Countryside Alliance practically runs the Conservative Party these days. Is that what the average voter wants? I think not.

BTW, I have other priorities, too, one of them being to get our boys out of Afghanistan. I wonder what Otis Ferry's thoughts are on that one."

You're a bit out of date re the Countryside Alliance! :grin: Yes, the British Field Sports Society was VERY 'Tory' (it always had a sitting Tory MP as Chairman, for example.) The CA's President is a Labour Peer, its Chair is a Labour MP - and the board is a political mix.

Obviously it has closer 'links' with the Conservatives because the Conservatives have always supported field sports - but it has MUCH broader support now because of its wider rural agenda.

The CA doesn't run the Conservative Party any more than the Conservative Party runs the CA! And hunting is FAR from being one of the Conservative Party's highest priorities - even I would not vote for them if it was!! There are FAR more important issues!

And - for what it's worth - I'd like to see our boys (and girls) out of Afghanistan as soon as possible! But NOT as a political gesture - and NOT without finishing the job they are there to do. Leaving the country in a mess - such as happened with the withdrawal of American and Australian troops from Vietnam, for example, would mean all our brave soldiers sacrificed their lives for NOTHING!
 
"And - for what it's worth - I'd like to see our boys (and girls) out of Afghanistan as soon as possible! But NOT as a political gesture - and NOT without finishing the job they are there to do. Leaving the country in a mess - such as happened with the withdrawal of American and Australian troops from Vietnam, for example, would mean all our brave soldiers sacrificed their lives for NOTHING!"

This is a very long way off Otis Ferry, Janet, but I have to tell you that Afghanistan is another Vietnam and 245 of our brave boys' lives have been sacrificed for nothing. Wasn't the idea to 'smoke out' Osama bin Laden? If so, where is the b****r now? I reckon that we have much bigger worries on our own doorsteps, particularly if we're anywhere near such as Leeds, Leicester, Luton and London. I daren't say more, even on Horse & Hound, for fear of being too non-P.C.
 
"and nuke the place"

And Ms. George accuses me of being racist!
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I actually didn't - I queried the reason for an covertly racist remark by asking you if you WERE a racist.

Now SL I wouldn't bother asking as he's somewhat to the right of Attila the Hun AND a motor mouth, which he engages without putting his brain into gear.

(And that's not libellous either! :grin: He proves it almost every time he posts!)
 
"Or racist?? Maybe the BNP could use your talents!"

Send me your address, Ms. George, and I'll sue you for that.
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haha if I had a pound for every time a jumped up little twerp said they would sue someone on a forum :D
 
"I actually didn't - I queried the reason for an covertly racist remark by asking you if you WERE a racist."

You'd fare well in the High Court, Ms. George. But watch it!
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you're making a fool out of yourself, you do realise that? Somehow I think you have zero chance of ever being an MP :)
 
While the Conservative party have stated that '2010 Conservative manifesto will contain a commitment to "give Parliament the opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act on a free vote, with a Government bill in Government time" ' - Hunting is barely mentioned on the Conservative website, other than an opinion piece by Nick Herbert. So I'm not certain that this could be considered a top priority for a potential Conservative government, for example yesterday in what is widely viewed as a start to the election campaign Cameron was setting out his priorities for the NHS.

On the flip side despite only having had 12 years in power Ed Balls has today decided that the last three months of the Labour regime is the time to start tackling child literacy. Guess they were just too busy working on their 'Back The Ban' website - a major section of the Official Labour website to tackle some real issues.

Talking of which, your own Typepad entries seem to be obsessed with hunting - 19.5% of the entries are related to hunting or coursing - a view not shared by 97% of the population who quite frankly state it won't affect their voting intention. It would be nice to hear some of your other views rather than rants about how you wouldn't be able to employ a family member. All I have learnt about you is that you oppose the action in Afghanistan and support the sale of the county farms estate (which has been vital in allowing new entrants to farming to get a foot on the ladder). Hardly anything that makes you stand out as a fresh candidate, a manifesto should really contain more than three ideas.
 
i think Mr. G.Woollard has bitten off more than he can chew on this forum. was he expecting only hunting folk with little idea of anything else i wonder- i think possibly his plans here have gone a bit pear shaped!!
 
"i think Mr. G.Woollard has bitten off more than he can chew on this forum. was he expecting only hunting folk with little idea of anything else i wonder- i think possibly his plans here have gone a bit pear shaped!!"

To put it all in proportion, salimali, I have today received a message from someone whom I know very well:

"Just had some very sad news. My friend who I went to school with and played rugby with died today/yesterday in Afghanistan. Really hammers it home. I'm gutted and would like to offer again my help in any campaigning you're doing to bring them home. I've got two other friends out there and don't want to lose another."
 
Very sorry to hear that. I have to admit that when they announce the name of the latest casualty to be killed in Afghanistan I breathe a sigh of relief when it isn't one of my mates. Having served in the OTC I have many friends who serve with various corps and regiments.

I really wish newscasters would stop saying these people have died in Afghanistan, there is a huge difference between dying and being killed. The Royal Engineer that lost his life over Christmas was just 23, 4 years younger than me.

However that doesn't alter the fact that a planned withdrawal when the time is right has got to be the way forward rather than just giving up, otherwise these heroes will have made their sacrifice in vain.

On a slight tangent, it is appalling that funding for extra facilities at specialist treatment centres like Headley Court needs to come from charitable funding. This is something that should have been worked into the MOD budget for the war.
 
"Just had some very sad news. My friend who I went to school with and played rugby with died today/yesterday in Afghanistan. Really hammers it home. I'm gutted and would like to offer again my help in any campaigning you're doing to bring them home. I've got two other friends out there and don't want to lose another."
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It's sad news indeed - every time a young soldier dies. However, it sadly ISN'T a good reason to campaign against our involvement!

If we'd run for cover with the first deaths of WW2, we'd all be speaking German now. And probably being governed as a 'territory' of the 5th, 6th or 7th Reich! Or maybe we'd have spent the last 60 years trying to break down our own walls!

More recently, but still more than 40 years ago, I lost friends in the Vietnam War. Most were conscripts who were picked by being born on a particular date - not regular soldiers! Many of those who came back alive suffered enormously in the aftermath - normal PTS syndrome, exacerbated by the fact that they were sold out by their political masters and came home 'losers' in an unpopular war! They gave up their lives for a cause which suddenly became worthless due to politicians not wanting to continue to lose votes for what WAS a just cause but had become too hot to handle!

Involvement in any military action has to be decided on a wide range of political/humanitarian/defence issues. Our soldiers join the Services knowing they may be sent into a war zone and that they might die there. They would obviously trust that their political 'masters' ONLY send them in a good cause - and perhaps just as importantly - send them well equipped and well trained to do the job.

It must be VERY depressing for those out there to hear people suggesting they are NOT there for a useful purpose - that their lives are being squandered to no useful purpose!!
 
Methinks Mr Woolard is getting a taste of the pro hunting style of attack.... in a pack of course. Only way they know how to operate. Brave in numbers...cowards alone.
 
"Just had some very sad news. My friend who I went to school with and played rugby with died today/yesterday in Afghanistan. Really hammers it home. I'm gutted and would like to offer again my help in any campaigning you're doing to bring them home. I've got two other friends out there and don't want to lose another."
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It's sad news indeed - every time a young soldier dies. However, it sadly ISN'T a good reason to campaign against our involvement!

If we'd run for cover with the first deaths of WW2, we'd all be speaking German now. And probably being governed as a 'territory' of the 5th, 6th or 7th Reich! Or maybe we'd have spent the last 60 years trying to break down our own walls!

More recently, but still more than 40 years ago, I lost friends in the Vietnam War. Most were conscripts who were picked by being born on a particular date - not regular soldiers! Many of those who came back alive suffered enormously in the aftermath - normal PTS syndrome, exacerbated by the fact that they were sold out by their political masters and came home 'losers' in an unpopular war! They gave up their lives for a cause which suddenly became worthless due to politicians not wanting to continue to lose votes for what WAS a just cause but had become too hot to handle!

Involvement in any military action has to be decided on a wide range of political/humanitarian/defence issues. Our soldiers join the Services knowing they may be sent into a war zone and that they might die there. They would obviously trust that their political 'masters' ONLY send them in a good cause - and perhaps just as importantly - send them well equipped and well trained to do the job.

It must be VERY depressing for those out there to hear people suggesting they are NOT there for a useful purpose - that their lives are being squandered to no useful purpose!!
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One can always choose to be a conscientious objector. War is a very dirty thing.
 
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It must be VERY depressing for those out there to hear people suggesting they are NOT there for a useful purpose - that their lives are being squandered to no useful purpose!!
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Yes it must. But is that a good reason to allow even more young people to be killed, so that the friends and relatives of those who have already died will not have to face the fact that they died in vain in unwinnable and possibly illegal wars? It has to stop somewhere.
 
Methinks Mr Woolard is getting a taste of the pro hunting style of attack.... in a pack of course. Only way they know how to operate. Brave in numbers...cowards alone.
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What sort of a useless argument is this?
 
One can always choose to be a conscientious objector. War is a very dirty thing.
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One can - and in Australia in the '60s and '70s, some did. They were jailed, branded cowards, draft dodgers and Vietcong supporters. Hell, women who campaigned peacefully against the draft were jailed for handing out leaflets.

Yes, war IS dirty - and the Vietnam War was one of the dirtiest! But it's not always avoidable!!
 
..... One can always choose to be a conscientious objector. War is a very dirty thing .....

Yes, war is dirty but sadly it is a fact of life that wars happen.
In my opinion COs are gutless cowards who leave the defence of their country to those brave enough to do so, yet still reap the same benefits afterwards.
As JG says, we could well be speaking Kraut, etc, etc if it were not for those who were willing to put their lives on the line in WWI and WWII.
Three of my mother's brothers were killed in WWII.
I totally support our Forces in Afghanistan but they should never have been sent out there in the first place considering the attitude of The MOD and the lack of equipment.
One lives in hope that some day, someone will have the balls to try Tony Blair for "war crimes" - all the evidence is there.
 
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