Is the Baroness losing the plot?

[Hercules]

''You've only got yourselves to blame: you should have stuck to your policy of shiftily breaking the law in secret rather than screaming about it from the rooftops.''

Why? It is the duty of every decent man to stand up and be counted if he believes that something is wrong.

The problem here Burnsall, is that you and your sort know little about either duty or decency.

 

[Burnsall]

Thank you very much for replying. I don't quite understand the context in which this happened - was it a horse market? If so, the RSPCA officers should obviously be "horse-literate" which they didn't seem to be from what you saw.

 

[Burnsall]

I don't see what purpose can be achieved by copying Giles and AlanE and launching another personal attack. I know it's an emotive subject but please try to debate the issues rather than dishing out childish insults.

 

[Ereiam_jh]

This is just a tactic not to address what people are saying to you.

Accuse everyone of being personal rather than responding to the substantive points they are making.

The mirror image of Karl's method which is to avoid what people are saying to you by insulting them instead.

No doubt you'd characterise this as a childish personal attack too.

 

[AlanE]

Burnsall, you seem to have some arcane and perverted view of the situation.

Look, the hunts are following the law, but taking advantage of the opportunities within the Act for various forms of exempt hunting to continue.

You don't seem to realise that the Exmoor meeting was, strictly speaking, nothing to do with hunting, but was to do with the way the police had acted in this case, and why. Something is very wrong if the Police start to single out people just because they are asked to do so by the immensely wealthy 'animal rights' lobby. Just as an aside, the RSPCA do a good job with domestic animals, but we do know that their controlling council is now run by people with links to some questionable organizations. If you are one of their gullible cannon-fodder, Please take the trouble to find out something about them: you will find that they are fuelled by hatred of people and not a desire to better animal welfare. If that were the case, then they would be supporting traditional hunting with hounds.

Incidentally, the phrase 'hysterical and unwise' is not one which I would connect with Mallalieu at ANY time!

 

[Ereiam_jh]

He won't debate with you AlanE, he'll just accuse you of launching a personal attack.

 

[Burnsall]

"Something is very wrong if the Police start to single out people just because they are asked to do so by the immensely wealthy 'animal rights' lobby."

Please provide evidence that this is what happened when the police arrested the two men from the stag hunt. You appear to be impugning the integrity of the police now.

It isn't even as if the men have been found guilty. When their cases are heard they may be proved innocent. It's time for any wise hunter to keep his head during this difficult time when all about you (including the delightful Baroness) are losing theirs...

 

[Ereiam_jh]

It's a test case because they don't know what the law is. No one knows what the reasonable steps are that the hunt has to use to shoot the stags.

I read what you were saying before as that there were no reasonable steps they could take.

And yet it's vital that the stags have to be shot, or is it?

Until they've worked it out they should break the law by refusing to shoot the deer altogether.

 

[Eagle_day]

"He won't debate with you AlanE, he'll just accuse you of launching a personal attack."


No, even worse: he'll misquote Kipling. Unforgiveable.

 

[Burnsall]

Not misquoted - lovingly adapted...

 

[Eagle_day]

Really? I didn't think people loved Kipling these days.

 

[Burnsall]

He was named after Rudyard Lake in (I think) Staffordshire, you know, where he was conceived.

 

[wurzel]

"Do you agree with the Baroness's allegations about the RSPCA?"

As one who was at the meeting....I do!

 

[Burnsall]

It's a relief to know that you were present to lend a voice of reason to the proceedings!

 

[wurzel]

You are interested in the subject (enough to force your ideas on us), but you couldn't be arsed to attend ?

 

[Burnsall]

How do I force my ideas on you? I'm merely contributing to an internet forum. If you feel that I'm forcing myself on you please feel free to use the "ignore" facility to prevent any further discomfort.

Why should I attend a meeting I had no idea was taking place in a place hundreds of miles away from where I live?

 

[wurzel]

"How do I force my ideas on you? I'm merely contributing to an internet forum. If you feel that I'm forcing myself on you please feel free to use the "ignore" facility to prevent any further discomfort."

I think you know what i mean.

"Why should I attend a meeting I had no idea was taking place in a place hundreds of miles away from where I live? "


Because you are anti and sound like an expert on the subject.

But you just couldn't be arsed to come !!

I don't believe you really give a toss about hunting deer.

Have you ever been?

 

[Burnsall]

I don't know what you mean, no. Please explain how I'm forcing my ideas on you.

How can I attend a meeting I knew nothing about? Explain that as well.

 

[wurzel]

"I don't know what you mean, no. Please explain how I'm forcing my ideas on you."

Hunting. Must I stop it or not. Do you even care?

I know you can't physically stop me.


"How can I attend a meeting I knew nothing about? Explain that as well. "

Well how much do you care about hunting deer on Exmoor?

I thought you would be following the latest news.

Tell us what you really know about Stag hunting. Come on, something you can't get off the net.

What was the last DSSH meet you sabbed?

 

[Burnsall]

"Tell us what you really know about Stag hunting."

OK. With the "traditional" form of hunting harbourers selected the stag to be hunted before the chase. This creature was then separated from the herd and chased literally to the point of exhaustion. This process lasted an average of three hours but could extend up to seven. At this point the stag would be surrounded by haying hounds, some of which would perhaps bite it, even though they're trained not to. Then some immensely self-important knobhead, thinking he was John Wayne, Robin Hood and Bruce Willis rolled into one, would heroically step forward and pump a bullet into the stag. Squeals of rejoicing from the attendant throng would ensue.

The alternative is to stalk the stag and shoot it, without the need for a chase, as used to happen to 85% of the deer on Exmoor.

 

[Hercules]

Burnsall,

Youhave obviously read a couple of articles about stag hunting (clearly they are not totally accurate), but what is your practical knowledge and experience of stag hunting? I think we all know the answer to that one.

''The alternative is to stalk the stag and shoot it, without the need for a chase, as used to happen to 85% of the deer on Exmoor.''

Wrong. 85% of the deer CULLED on Exmoor may have been shot. However, as a result of this ban 85% of the HERD will be shot. A huge difference.

 

[Burnsall]

Which part of my description of hunting is incorrect? Enlighten me

FACT: 85% of deer on Exmoor which were culled were simply shot, without being chased.

 

[wurzel]

"FACT: 85% of deer on Exmoor which were culled were simply shot, without being chased. "

Fact? I own part of Exmoor and I can with confidence tell you it is NOT fact.

Who did the shooting ?

 

[wurzel]

"At this point the stag would be surrounded by haying hounds, some of which would perhaps bite it, even though they're trained not to."

Haying hounds ?

I sense fingers of fury !!!

Perhaps bite it? Yes perhaps. When did you last see this happen? And where?

"Then some immensely self-important knobhead, thinking he was John Wayne, Robin Hood and Bruce Willis rolled into one, would heroically step forward and pump a bullet into the stag."

Knobhead? Are you sure?

Who is a knobhead?


"Squeals of rejoicing from the attendant throng would ensue."

Throng? When did you last see a throng at a kill ?

Time and place will do.

"The alternative is to stalk the stag and shoot it, without the need for a chase, as used to happen to 85% of the deer on Exmoor."

Who did this?

 

[Burnsall]

These aren't my findings - they're those of Lord Burns in his report on hunting.

 

[Hercules]

Bellsall,

What I stated in my previous post was that maybe 85% (your statistic) of the CULLED deer on Exmoor were shot. However, as a result of the intereference of your sort, 85% of the ENTIRE deer population on Exmoor will be shot.

That is not too great a difference to understand, is it?

 

[jerryboy]

Simply tell me why you must chase a stag to exhaustion before shooting it? That is what the staghound packs do.

 

[Burnsall]

From the LACS site:

The League has film of the Devon and Somerset Staghounds chasing a stag on NT land on Exmoor, shot this August. The stag was pursued for more than two hours. A member of the hunt is seen cracking his whip at the exhausted animal.

Tom Yandle, chairman of the Devon and Somerset Staghounds, subsequently quoted in the media
“I don’t see how chasing the deer and riding alongside it and cracking a whip is any more inhumane than any other form of moving a deer around”.

 

[wurzel]

I want to know what your findings are?

Not some dopey Lord !!

 

[wurzel]

Sure.

It is the best way to kill them.


plus


It is the only way we will tolerate deer.

Its not a zoo.