Is there actually such a cross as a WB x TB?

[arwenplusone]

Just put in another post that my foal was a WB x TB,

However, does this not just make her a WB? since dam already had some TB in her, I have just upped the levels?

Just got me thinking really
What do you think? Valid cross? Or just putting more blood into the WB?

 

[S_N]

LOL! What's H then? He's 5/8th TB, 3/8th WB. Though I call M a WB, as she is 7/8th WB and 1/8th TB.

 

[_jetset_]

Grace is a WB x TB... Her sire was a KWPN and her dam an ex-racer

This is her pedigree and I have often wondered the same thing:
Grace's Pedigree

 

[birchave0]

my two year is I suppose TB X Warmblood as she is by a Holstein.
Her Grand Sire is Caletto I but if you look back in his pedigree you will see a lot of TB blood, about 4 or 5 generations away. They did this to refine the Holstein as a breed, so therefore my girl is more TB than Holstein!
Hope this helps

 

[springfallstud]

Hmm tricky one, my T/B mare is graded into the Hannovarian main stud book so her foals are pink papered branded Hannovarians which makes them a warmblood but they are also warmblood x T/B

 

[Ticktockted]

I know where you are comming from. I would say this does make her a warmblood. I class a TB as a pure TB from the race track for example.

 

[_April_]

I was told April was a WB xTB by her first owner

I guess technically that does actually make her a WB so see where you are coming from!

Mum's horse is pure TB

 

[arwenplusone]

I think in the hannovarian/holstein case then the horse is a hannovarian/holstein x tb? But if the mare is a WB (I have a pinkpapered dutch WB) then this is more generic - If I look through her breeding then I see kwpn/holstein/tb and dutch wb

So in that case I think my foal is a WB. But it's a very grey area!

I guess that if you go right back then all WBs are TBs crossed with something 'cold blooded/draught like so adding more TB is not a cross at all, just further breeding or breeding to a more modern (or oldfashioned 'type') of WB.

Though of course they are all arabs really

 

[arwenplusone]

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LOL! What's H then? He's 5/8th TB, 3/8th WB. Though I call M a WB, as she is 7/8th WB and 1/8th TB.

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I would say both are WB

 

[cruiseline]

I have a WB x TB yearling

Her mother is by Calvados x Wisconsin and her father is Handsome Stranger who is by Hand In Glove.

Only have foalie pictures, can't wait to get over and take some recent ones.

 

[S_N]

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LOL! What's H then? He's 5/8th TB, 3/8th WB. Though I call M a WB, as she is 7/8th WB and 1/8th TB.

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I would say both are WB

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See I disagree, the TB proportions in H are greater than the WB, therefore require mentioning IMO. As I said before, M def WB.

 

[ihatework]

Of corse there is such a cross but the resulting offspring could vary wildly.

On paper mine is BWB x TB, but if you look at his sires pedigree (Dutch Gold) there is one hell of a lot of TB in there. Making my boy 7/8th TB

 

[arwenplusone]

Buuuut even if a horse is more TB than he is WB I think he is still a WB.

However, I do agree with SN that the TB deserves a mention.

 

[ihatework]

Or perhaps he is just a mongrel

 

[Silverspring]

So a warmblood is a hot blood crossed with a cold blood by definition, they refined it down and started stud books. If so does this mean the ID x TB can be advertised as a WB or a clysdale x TB? I've had this discussion with friends on various occassion and we just talk ourselves in cirles!
Glad to have a pure bred Arab, it's all hot blood in there

 

[magic104]

I thought if it is a full TB reg with Weatherbys then the offspring of a WBXTB would be a British WB, or could be reg with the breed society of the stallion. Is this not the case then? Seeing as most if not all WB's have TB in their breeding I dont know why they would be described as a TBxWB unless the TB was describing type rather then actual proved pedigree.

 

[Violet]

Unless the TB in question has been graded in to a recognised Warmblood stud book the off spring can't be a WB.
It will be a WB x TB.
The % of TB blood can vary from 100% to nothing in a WB.
So technically I think you can call it a WB x TB if the TB parent wasn't in the WB stud book. Just because it is registered with Weatherbys doesn't count.

 

[arwenplusone]

Ah - so that will explain why in my mare's breeding there are lots of TBs but all must have been graded to the studbook!

That does make sense, thanks Violet