Is this abuse and if so how do I report it?

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I am aware of an individual who until recently owned a horse with chronic choke.

The horse chokes when fed on normal hay or haylage and had to be fed either on grass or on finely chopped hay.

The horse had been treated by our local vet on more than one occasion for choke and it was the vet that said that the horse would have to be fed on finely chopped hay for the rest of her life.

The owner has sold the horse to a dealer and has deliberately withheld this information.

She has discussed this on her Facebook page. The dialogue is reproduced below. I have removed the names of the people involved, the name of the horse and the price offered by the dealer.

This person has now sold the horse to the dealer and bought another.

Does anyone have any experience of incidents like this, and whether there is any organisation worth reporting them to?

I think it's abuse and a neglect of the welfare of the horse to sell it on to someone knowingly withholding information that could endanger its life.

I've written to the BHS Welfare office so far but not yet had a reply.

Dialogue complete with typos is here:

Horse Owner: has an offer of £xxx for horse (name removed) from a dealer. should I take it?

Friend: a dealer? does that not mean he will keep her?

Horse Owner: no, he'd sell her on. he doesn't know about the eating thing, i've said i keep her out 24/7... which is almost true. for that money i don't think he needs to know. nackered broodmares and companions go for similar money.

Friend: but wouldn't he need to know about her eating thing, for him to sell her on?

Horseowner: she's been for sale for a month now , and no ones interested. i have about some money in savings to add to that and could buy something that can hopefully both eat and not be such an opinionated little munchkin!still not sure though. dodgey dealer man can find that out the hard way, i did, and i paid similar money for her.
meanwhile people can sell unbroken youngsters and horses too crazy to ride for thousands! i've never been any good at this selling horses lark which makes a dealer more appealing cos theres no hassel, but i'm quite fond of the little bitch now and want her to go somewhere nice...
 
The seller quite clearly isn't "fond of the little b!tch" as she states, as she is selling it to a dealer and the horse could quite easily die if she withholds the information and it is fed hay or haylage.
She sounds like an idiot - the dealer will sell it on - it will go to a home and then end up being returned to the dealer when the new owner finds out - dealer won't be able to find it a home and it will end up as dog food. This seller needs to grow a spine and get a conscience
 
guido16 said:
If you know who the dealer is then send them a link to her FB page.......
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Wouldn`t work ... the dealer would have to be friends with the lass to be able to read her wall.

Such a shame, poor mare .. i`d certainly report it :(
 
if you want to PM me the dealers phone number etc, Ill gladly phone him. Dreadful behaviour, seller should be ashamed of herself.
 
Makes me question the mindset and conscious of mankind sometimes...

That poor horse's welfare must come first, contact someone who is able to help and/or inform the dealer of what he is buying - for the horse's sake, not the dealer's pocket!! As suggested above, the RSPCA will be able to give you more guidance on the next step
 
I would inform the dealer, you can withhold your number, likelyhood is he'll have the mare destroyed but that's probably better for her than being sold on unknowingly to die slowly over night from choke with a well meaning and now devestated new owner when they find her dead in the morning.
 
So selfish to do this to this horse......perhaps another thing potential buyers may have to ask now. Not just to see it caught from the field and observe in the stable but now 'can I please watch it eating its haynet whilst Im here'.

So wrong for this horse and also like someone else said, this is a heartbreak waiting to happen for the poor, new, unsuspecting owner.
 
Thats Awful :(
i think what you could do is screen print that convo on facebook and print it out before they delete it, maybe fine the dealer's adress and send it to them?? its worth a try i suppose, poor horse :(
 
Could you not speak to the person selling? Face to face and tell her you are worried? It escalates the situation if all done behind backs...
 
I don't know who the dealer is - if I did I'd call him myself. I am trying to think of a way to find out.

I've emailed the BHS so will see what they say if anything.

I doubt it would work approaching this person direct. I think you get the idea of what she is like from the dialogue, the horse is gone and she would probably do the same thing again anyway.

I'd prefer this to be dealt with by someone in authority.
 
definatley report this. no offence but the owner is a selfish cow. maybe she did find out the hard way, and the horse will do too when the chokes get so bad its fatal.

report this and talk to the person, if you dont want to tell me to add her and ill give her a good talking to ;) i hate it when people do this, only think of themselves and the money,
that horse has had the decency to let a woman like that onto her back and take complete control of him. the most she could do is respect that, and if she wants him to go to a good home, he may not reach the new home.

REPORT NOW to rspca or something, anywhere!
 
independentthinker said:
Horseowner: she's been for sale for a month now , and no ones interested. i have about some money in savings to add to that and could buy something that can hopefully both eat and not be such an opinionated little munchkin!still not sure though. dodgey dealer man can find that out the hard way, i did, and i paid similar money for her.
meanwhile people can sell unbroken youngsters and horses too crazy to ride for thousands! i've never been any good at this selling horses lark which makes a dealer more appealing cos theres no hassel, but i'm quite fond of the little bitch now and want her to go somewhere nice...
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I can totally see where she's coming from.

It is very sad for the horse. Its a bad business buying and selling horses. I don't know the solution, but it is a sad situation that's for sure.
 
As far as I am aware, there is no legal requirement for sellers to inform buyers of anything.
That's where 'caveat emptor' comes into play - buyer beware.
So perhaps you guys consider it ethical to inform future buyers that the horse is prone to choke, but she isn't breaking any laws by not doing so.
Over my years of owning horses, vets have given me a whole plethora of incorrect diagnoses and advice - one of my horses has been diagnosed as having everything from heart failure to brain tumours.
Would I be supposed to pass that on if I sold her?
S :D
 
The RSPCA wont do anything tbh. They cant. Selling a horse isnt cruelty.

As for the dealer they will either pass it on or send for meat/to market. They know that they will win some and lose some and will know the margins. Dealers arent daft!

The only way YOU can do anything is to buy the horse yourself.:)
 
thanks everyone for the support and encouragement. I have had a good response from reporting this to the BHS welfare folks so we are going down that line for the moment.

I had to do something - this woman is evil.

thanks again!
 
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