Is this genetically possible

[Paint Me Proud]

Saw the ad in the link below for a Friesian sire cross Welsh D mare. Sire obviously black and advert states mare is palomino.

The filly is bay tobiano!!

Am i missing something or is this not genetically possible?

Just interested really as I thought i knew my colour genetics but why would the sellers lie.

http://www.dragondriving.co.uk/horseforsale-33753.html

 

[joeanne]

If that was crossed with a Fresian then my old gran is running the marathon tomorrow.......

 

[Hells Bells]

If that was crossed with a Fresian then my old gran is running the marathon tomorrow.......

LOL

I'm no help, absolutely useless with colours, but am in the process of trying to teach myself so the answer, if you get one, would be interesting to me too

It's probably just the angle she's stood at, but the first pic in particular looks very out of proportion!

 

[rhino]

No, neither parent breed carries the genes for tobiano T is a dominant gene anyway so one parent would need to be tobiano to pass it on; it's not something that can be easily masked.

Though 'genetically' Fresians aren't always black though it is my belief that other colours can't be fully registered or bred from. I have seen a couple of chestnuts and believe there to be a bay or two around

 

[Hells Bells]

Though 'genetically' Fresians aren't always black though it is my belief that other colours can't be fully registered or bred from. I have seen a couple of chestnuts and believe there to be a bay or two around

I never knew this either, thanks for sharing that pearl, Rhino

 

[Welshie Squisher]

Haha might carry the palomino gene.......
And tobiano produced from 2 solids.......
They clearly haven't a scooby about horse colour genetics

No it's not possible, dam or sire must be coloured, and there is no such thing as the palomino gene.
Palomino is the creme gene diluting a red base coat...I think!

 

[rhino]

I never knew this either, thanks for sharing that pearl, Rhino

Chestnut is a recessive gene. Black is the dominant allele.

e.g. an EE horse is genetically black and can only pass on the 'black (E) gene'
an Ee horse carries both the genes for black (E) and red (e) and can appear black but can pass on either gene.

If you breed an Ee stallion with an Ee mare, there is a 1 in 4 chance of an ee offspring, which will be chestnut!

All Fresian stallions and the majority of mares undergo genetic testing so that if you had an Ee mare you would only breed to an EE stallion to ensure black offspring.

Here's a fox Fresian for sale
http://www.warmbloods-for-sale.com/HorseDetail.asp?HorseID=30138&UserID=9622

 

[rhino]

No it's not possible, dam or sire must be coloured, and there is no such thing as the palomino gene.
Palomino is the creme gene diluting a red base coat...I think!

Yep. One copy of the creme gene on a red base = palomino; 2 copies = cremello

 

[Paint Me Proud]

thanks, i thought i as going bonkers for a moment there, but i was right to think that it wasnt possible.

Makes you wonder why they had put that in the ad though doesnt it