Is this neglect?

amymay said:
Imagine if the OP phoned the WHW and told them of the horric condition this horse was in - clearly this would not be the case, and is an exageration of the situation. A more appropriate phrasing would be 'showing some signs of neglect'.

You may find this forum 'hyterical' , I think it's a great place to have debates, differences of opinion and an opportunity to lean:rolleyes:;)
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Absolutely agree amymay.
 
Those burrs are a bloody nightmare.

A mane and tail can get in that state literally overnight.

So the only "welfare" problem i could seewould be its a tad overweight..

not "horrific" i agree
 
mollichop said:
TGM - This is what I was asking. I wouldn't keep my horse like this, but wasn't sure if deemed a welfare issue, as burs do get stuck but IMO should not be left to this degree.
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The problem is not so much the burrs and tangles themselves, but whether they indicate someone is not checking this horse on a regular basis. But difficult to tell as others on here have said it is easy for a horse to badly get burred up even when regularly attended to. Is it possible for the concerned lady to have a word with people locally to see what they know about the horse and whether it is regularly cared for?

It does need to lose some weight, but not sure whether it is at the stage where a welfare organisation would take action. It probably looks fatter than it is because it is so broad in the beam - it actually hasn't got a huge gutter on its bum or a massive wobbly crest from what I can see in the photos.
 
I don't think it can 'hurt' to call the WHW or BHS just so that someone can pop in and check the horse is ok.

As to the burrs, I would imagine the horse is uncomfortable but I like others can agree that this could be a daily issue. My ID came in the other day looking like a unicorn, he has very thick mane and tail and he was riddled in them. He also looked pretty sorry for himself and I felt pretty sorry for myself when I was all itchy from pulling them out one by one, most ended up down my top or in my boots!! Next day he came in with his tail matted and some in his mane!!

The horse is overweight and the fencing is not nice so hopefully someone from BHS or WHW will talk to the owner of the horse. Don't bother with the RSPCA.
 
No I don't think this is "neglect". My shetties can get far worse in less than half an hour and that is in a paddock that is prety much clear so if anyone can tell me where they find the burrs I would be grateful. I only have to give them a bath for them to give it their all for 10 minutes to get as manky as they can. This horse is on what I would discribe as "rough grazing" with all manner of plants, some of which look as though they could possibly be ragwort? That would worry me more.

Yes the horse is fat. But I don't think it will be dropping dead any second. Is it a pregnant mare about to drop? Has it been moved onto a lesser quality grazing to try and get the weight off? Has its feet been checked and trimmed recently? Has anyone asked the owner/ carer?

We are not all able to keep our horses in pristine, post and rail paddocks.

Personally before making any calls to any welfare agencies I would be looking to find out a bit more just quietly so as not to cause offence. You will probably find that the owner is trying to get the weight down etc.

I think discribing this to any agency as extreeme or using words that would allude to that would be a waste of their time. I agree that the phrase "Showing some signs of neglect" would be far more apropriate and allow them to assess the situation.
 
jsr said:
Isn't that what happens here? I've only been visiting the last couple of weeks and seems that every thread has to have some one being rude and nasty for no reason? Can totally understand the rep it has now.
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I've noticed that the common denominator in many of the heated threads is when people start making personal comments about other posters, particularly when that involves slating their standards of horse care or making out they are bad owners just because they have different opinions!
 
As everyone else says the burrs are not a cause for concern, but the rain scald is and the weight, but if it's a mare she could be in there cos her foal has just been weaned or something like that...I'm afraid I would knock on a few doors later in the evening, there's usually someone in then....or get in the field yourself and have a quick glance at the hooves etc just to satisfy yourself that all is well there. no need for drama queen stuff just check quietly yourself,(I've done this many times over the years) and if your not happy then ring WHW. Just get on with it!
 
O.k to clarify: Horse has been in same condition for 3 weeks now (poss longer but that is when she first noticed him). At no point that she has seen have burs been removed. Also is very matted as well as full of burs which suggests has been like that for some time.

She passes him on her delivery round (out of area) so unfortunately cannot ask around or knock on doors in the evening.

Road is not directly next to field so she can't see his feet properly to see how they look. Although he is very fat, she doesn't feel he is about to drop a foal Paddydou :D

She had been concerned about him but only obtained pics recently as seemed to be no improvement so asked what I thought.

She is letting me know what WHW say once she has spoken to them today :)
 
I would contact wwo/rspca cos they can have good luck and assess situation, find owner make recomendations about care, take further action in necessary. to me it looks neglected overweight, possible sweet itch unnecessary suffering in my book. well done to van driver.. it takes people to be vigilant and report these things to stop suffering.
 
im another that wouldnt be conserened about state of mane and tail , my horses get them i could possibly remove them one day the next full of them again . ive just found a trick how to remove them easly baby oil on a plasic comb they just comb oput without distroying the mane and tail , the only thing i see wrong is the weight issue , why dont you find out who owns it and talk to them first , if they ignore your worrys then phone .
 
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