Is this on

[Josh_craney]

At my yard there are quite a few sheep and none of them have been sheared and this past week. yo has been putting them i spare stables.well one went into the empty stabel next to roxy.when i was mucking out i could hear it panting away. and the next day it was dead and in this heat it absoulutley stunk. but the thing that really annoys me is the yo leaves it in there for two full days dead. i was so shocked at the amount of flys that where in that stable and where coming into mine. but on the 2nd day yo kept roxy in the whole day with it been in there stinking away with all the flies.

i do have reason to be upset dont i as the yo new perfectly well it was in there dead.

*rant over*

 

[lennysmith]

OMG definately!! I'd have gone flippin mental! Poor Roxy and poor little sheepy xx

 

[Kelly1982]

That is bag out of order and i would say something personally!!!!

No animals including sheep or horses should be kept in those conditions and i am outraged at how the sheep was left to die!!!! He should not be allowed to keep animals!!

 

[Ferdinase514]

Absolutely not on!

Phone the RSPCA.

 

[kick_On]

don't know
do you know full story.......................
but all i know about sheep is they do have a strong desire to die of anything
not saying i agreed with cruetly of animals in anyway (before anyone jumps on my back!)
but sheep, boy, do they really want die, that's why their meat is expensive

 

[Ferdinase514]

Perhaps it was going to die and needed separating. Hmm. Didn't think of that.

Isn't there a rule about disposing of fallen stock quickly?

 

[SSM]

Sounds like fly strike (flyes lay eggs in dirty coat and maggots eat the sheep alive) not the heat that carried the sheep off - they should have been sheared (shawn?) by now - report it

 

[Judie]

Sorry to hold up the Trading Standards banner again, but you really should report this to them.

Firstly the animals should be sheared not only from the heat but also to stop the maggots getting a hold and secondly, they should be removed forthwith once deceased.

You do not have to give your details, and even if you did they would not be revealed to the yard owner.

 

[katelarge]

Geez that is gross and whatever killed the sheep it shouldn't have been left by your horse!! Not on! Sorry!

 

[Accy]

Disgusting and you should say someting to the YO or Trading Standard./RSPCA cruel unnessacary and out of order poor animal and your poor horse next to it all day

 

[Christmas_Kate]

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Sorry to hold up the Trading Standards banner again, but you really should report this to them.

Firstly the animals should be sheared not only from the heat but also to stop the maggots getting a hold and secondly, they should be removed forthwith once deceased.

You do not have to give your details, and even if you did they would not be revealed to the yard owner.

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trading standards? should be RSPCA!
I understand where you're coming from with it being a livery yard, but yards don't have to be policed and tradin standards wouldnt do anything as it's nothing to do with them.
My dad's a farmer and as far as I know there are no regulations as to how long a dead sheep should be lying around.
I would say have a word with the YO and say tat you didnt appreciate the stink. YOU are the customer paying good money. Sheep die of anything, and yes, it should have been shawn, but that's an rspca matter. I would say you have two options, EITHER phone the rspca about the sheep OR have a word with YO. Not both, or you could find yourself very unpopular!

 

[S_N]

OMG - that is certainly enough to make me look for a new yard!! I would also report to the relevant bodies!!

 

[AmyMay]

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trading standards? should be RSPCA!

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Probably DEFRA actually.

 

[PapaFrita]

Sounds revolting. Can't think of a good reason to have a dead sheep lying around for 2 days!

 

[riotgirl]

As PF says, even if it had died of natural causes there was no need for it be still there 2 days later.

 

[Judie]

It doesn't matter what type of holding sheep are kept on they should have a holders licence and it IS a matter for Trading Standards. The legislation requires carcases to be disposed off 'without undue delay'.

DEFRA will only refer the matter to the local T/S Animal Health and Welfare department who have more powers to enter a property than the RSPCA in this matter.

 

[flyingfeet]

Chill - the sheep was probably in the stable as there was something wrong with it (no other reason to bring them in)

Fallen stock may not be able to be removed instantly especially if relying on the DEFRA fallen stock scheme rather than the local hunt. Either way neither would act quickly for just one sheep.

You are actually allowed to store fallen stock in waterproof areas that can be disinfected, so just unfortunate that your horse was next door.

Whilst shearing is good husbandry, it is not enforceable.

 

[Claireg9]

I dont care if shearing is not enforcable, it is not enforcable to give your horse food and water but it is still cruel to leave them without, not shearing a sheep whether ill or not is just plain cruelty IMO, and something has to be done. Call the RSPCA, Trading standards and plaster his reputation anywhere you can, i would also have a go at the Y/o who cares if it makes you unpopular because i would not want to stay anywhere that the owners ill treat animals and secondly anywhere that would treat your horse like that. Quite frankly this person is an idiot and wants locking up.
Makes me cross to hear things like this, poor GG and poor poor sheep!

 

[flyingfeet]

Feeding & watering animals is enforceable

Removing thick coats on any beast is not

There might be a good reason why the sheep have not been sheared yet. Don't confuse cruelty with poor husbandry.

Whilst I agree sheep should be sheared I cannot stand people who get on their high horse about these things.

Sheep in field next to ours look poor and have only just been sheared - reason = farmer hung himself and relying on kindess of other farmers to look after them!

 

[Claireg9]

Ok call it what you want bad husbundry whatever its cruel, if that sheep was ate alive by maggots, or over heated, yes there may be an underlying reason to why this animal was put there in the first place, but it was the wrong thing to do, and if everyone thought ow there might be a reason 1/2 the cruelty cases would never of been raised. It is also cruel for the poor horse that had to put up with the excessive flys and smell in a hot area.
I get on mu high horse about these things because i am an anilmal lover and can not tolerate animals being looked after badly, they simply shouldnt have them in the first place if they can not be bothered to look after them!

 

[Ferdinase514]

Oh dear.

Contrary to my previous post I am inclined to think I know nothing about sheep husbandry and therefore i better shut up!

 

[flyingfeet]

True - but in that case around half the population shouldn't have animals or children... !

I would love our neighbour to be banned from keeping animals (he has crap fencing and lets them roam on fast B roads)

 

[flyingfeet]

No your husbandry is spot on - cooler sheep = happier sheep = more productive.

However calling the RSPCA is a tad hysterical just for leaving coats on. Apparently with the older breeds they will shed their wool, but due to breeding the modern ones are exceptionally wooley and they ought to be sheared.

 

[Doreys_Mum]

Firstly, in denfence...

Some sheep don't require shearing as they will lose their fleeces themselves. They'll look right scabby, but they'll be fine.

Also, as already mentioned, Sheep have little dictionaries of methods of death programmed into their systems...

And Lastly - as I found out earlier this year - some methods of sheep collection don't DO weekends... We had to leave a dying sheep alive and suffering as no one would collect her for three days. Fair enough, the other sheep that died was collected ASAP as it's a public farm and you can't leave rotten sheep on a farm where the public will find it, whatever the weather - but it meant paying an extortionate amount when the other sheep, having suffered her three days, went for free.

Sadly, this is the sort of restriction DEFRA is responsible for. Find out if the delay in collection was down to DEFRA limitation and then complain... about them - not the YO!

However, sounds far more like the sheep died of heat stroke (Not Fly Strike - it's perfectly possible for flies to find a corpse within minutes!) - which would imply they DO need to be sheared and given better attention!

 

[AmyMay]

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We had to leave a dying sheep alive and suffering as no one would collect her for three days.

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Vet wouldn't come and put down???????????

 

[Claireg9]

yeah i agree, ok so im not a sheep specialist and i do know they die easy but this case does sound cruel, and if it was dying could they not of found somewhere a little more saculded (SP) and alone. It wouldnt of been nice if one of the kiddies had found it!
I just think something needs to be done and i certainly wouldt keep my horse there anymore!

 

[Doreys_Mum]

She was dying - who'd pay a vet to tell us the same thing?

No, on monday we were able to get the free knacker men out - otherwise she'd have cost £40 to get rid of, like the ram.

On her own, it wasn't too bad - but they lost a goat and two sheep in a weekend. Paying £120 for three dead animals is something some farmers cannot afford to do, so she was left alive until the free knackermen could collect her and the other goat (he died sunday night, so he was just left and removed first thing in the morning)

Vets bills are unaffordable sometimes.

In fairness to farmer, she was prolapse, and he gave her a chance as her waters broke early on the saturday. By sunday, however, the prolapse turned purple, the lambs were dead, and so was the ewe pretty much.

However, she did prolapse on the thursday and he did want to get her shot on the friday - but no can do, as the knackerman who collects his stock for free doesn't collect on fridays or the weekend...

 

[AmyMay]

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However, she did prolapse on the thursday and he did want to get her shot on the friday - but no can do, as the knackerman who collects his stock for free doesn't collect on fridays or the weekend...

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I'm shocked. I don't know any farmer that would leave an animal like this. Your local hunt would have dispatched her for free.

How terribly sad and cruel.

 

[Claireg9]

Very sad and cruel! Im also shocked! No matter what business you are trying to run no animal should have to go detrement to a few quid, if they can not afford the odd humane destroying of an animal they should not have a business! its as simple as that. You said yourself its only friday sat and sunday they can not get a free service, so three days if your unlucky enough to have a poorly animal on that you'd have to pay.
Im so shocked and think its awful it goes on, its like condeming chicken factorys and other such going ons!
I feel sad now

 

[kick_On]

got to reply:
hunts around our way will collect (mon-fri) BUT its fee paying, and please remember farming is a business. And you can't have good quality meat if you don't treat your animals well.
i'm sorry does this mean everybody on here that eats meat, will pay the extra costs!!! (mm.....)
Does everyone check where their meat comes from!!!!
Uk meat is the best produced in the world and people are killing the industry by thinking the amount per pound, which will have an effect on animals welfare!!!
Please stop knocking our farming and support our farmers.
I go back again to my original question does original postie know full story??
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