Is this the new Rollkur gadget

I hate these gadgets. What ever happened to riding a horse forward into the contact and catching it in the bridle (so to speak). Pop this on and have a lovely false outline..

Not Rollkur but a lazy riders short cut IMO
 
Unfortunate that the horse in the photo is behind the vertical.
Far better IMO for the rider's legs to create the impulsion to ride the horse up into a contact.
 
Looks like the modern version of the School Masta-remember those? Don't think they were that popular, like a lot of these gadgets they seemed to go out of fashion fairly quickly.

Shame that riding properly doesn't seem to be the no.1 item on peoples' lists to get their horse going well.
 
Just another piece of crap in the endless quest of not riding properly and putting the time in.

As they say themselves 'For most, this takes years of hard work and practice to reach the
elusive goal of a great contact.'

Or you could just buy this crap.:D

Don't waste your money, lol.
 
make me laugh how they talk about keeping the poll high and in the picture of the horse being ridden in it the horses poll is not the highest point.

Lazy riders way of getting the horse to look "pretty"
 
More blinking bondage for horses.

Yuck.

Really when will ppl stop thinking that constant pressure of hard object on sensitive mouth tissues is such a great idea?
 
Just as a matter of interest - do none of you guys lunge in side reins?

Not trying to start a fight here, but I would rather see a horse wearing one of these and working the right way up, than watch it motorbiking round as hollow as hell, or having its head yanked from side to side by a less than competent rider who is trying to 'get him on the bit'. These sort of gadgets are not for experienced, competent riders who have feel, and know how to work a horse correctly - they are designed to help out those who are learning to ride in an outline, or to suggest to a hollow horse that it might be more comfortable if it's less banana shaped.

Sure, in an ideal world, we'd get on, put our legs on, and pick up the reins, and our horses would move off smoothly in a classically correct outline, which would be maintained at all times while we sat in perfect balance, instinctively riding all the school movements in perfect harmony with our saintly equines.

Might just be me, but that doesn't actually happen that often...
 
Interesting debate. I do think it's an unfortunate choice of picture as the horse wearing it is BTV - who knows whether that was a moment in time or an ongoing situation.

But today I was watching (I'd like to say instructing, but am not officially qualified, only by experience!) a young girl ride one of my ponies. He's very forward going, part arab and has a very high head carriage, but he can go properly on the bit (and work through from behind).

She has proved herself capable of handling him in terms of sitting securely and not panicking when he is being whizzy. We're working on keeping him very calm and I had her counting strides out loud today to keep him steady.

Being into dressage myself, I started to talk with her about getting him in an outline etc. She's only 10 and a good little rider, but is more keen on going fast, jumping whatever is in her path and having a blast. So I was thinking that tomorrow I'm going to put the bungee on him so that she feels what he is like when he is working properly.

How different is that to the 'gadget' described above?
 
nikicb said:
Being into dressage myself, I started to talk with her about getting him in an outline etc. She's only 10 and a good little rider, but is more keen on going fast, jumping whatever is in her path and having a blast. So I was thinking that tomorrow I'm going to put the bungee on him so that she feels what he is like when he is working properly.
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Have done the same with mine when a friend was on him. He was being particulary unhelpful for her (as he is with strange people :rolleyes:) and she just needed to feel what she was working towards.

I quite like the concept having some thing you could lunge in that attatches further up so would be closer to the contact when ridden.
 
Auslander said:
Just as a matter of interest - do none of you guys lunge in side reins?

Not trying to start a fight here, but I would rather see a horse wearing one of these and working the right way up, than watch it motorbiking round as hollow as hell, or having its head yanked from side to side by a less than competent rider who is trying to 'get him on the bit'. These sort of gadgets are not for experienced, competent riders who have feel, and know how to work a horse correctly - they are designed to help out those who are learning to ride in an outline, or to suggest to a hollow horse that it might be more comfortable if it's less banana shaped.

Sure, in an ideal world, we'd get on, put our legs on, and pick up the reins, and our horses would move off smoothly in a classically correct outline, which would be maintained at all times while we sat in perfect balance, instinctively riding all the school movements in perfect harmony with our saintly equines.

Might just be me, but that doesn't actually happen that often...
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You joking, right?
there are no inexperienced, novice riders on HHO. Ever. :D
Personally, I wouldn't ride in it, I would be worried that if the horse for whatever reason goes up, the contraption will tip it over... but I suppose that says more about what I ride, lol. Years of riding other people's cr4p tends to do that to you ;)
 
martlin said:
You joking, right?
there are no inexperienced, novice riders on HHO. Ever. :D
Personally, I wouldn't ride in it, I would be worried that if the horse for whatever reason goes up, the contraption will tip it over... but I suppose that says more about what I ride, lol. Years of riding other people's cr4p tends to do that to you ;)
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But, but, but... if you fit it tight enough- the buggers won't be able to go up! Problem solved...
 
No intention of buying... I purely saw it on Horse world live site and thought omg what on earth is that thing. At least a bungie has give. That thing has go give at all.
 
Wow..a solution to all my problems in getting the horse into the correct outline! Thus will save me years of actually learning to ride properly! :rolleyes:
 
I don't think its as bad as (potentially) the most damaging thing you can have attached to a horses mouth.

Pinkish, wriggly things - what do you call them again? Oh - got it

Hands...
 
It's a pity people don't learn to ride properly before they decide they want to be dressage diva.
Fannying about with stupid bits of kit is no foundation for dressage.

If you cannot ride a horse properly how the hell can you do dressage.

Absolute arrogance and stupidity.
 
martlin said:
Nah, I believe in draw reins - you can let go of those ;)
You need to see some schooling liveries I have for, ahem, just ironing out a few details, it would have to be attached between the legs to stop them going up :D
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I remember those days! I got a black eye from a brass clencher browband once - still wonder exactly how that happened.
 
martlin said:
Nah, I believe in draw reins - you can let go of those ;)
You need to see some schooling liveries I have for, ahem, just ironing out a few details, it would have to be attached between the legs to stop them going up :D
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Is now the time to confess to using draw reins when I was 16 with my mostly TB 5 yr old mare mare? If I hadn't I doubt that I would still be here and she would have lived to 35. :eek:
 
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