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Ok, I haven’t been on here much (at all) but I have (I think ) an interesting proposition and debate.

OH has a beautiful mare. She is the half-sister of WFP’s Seacookie (second at Burghley this year) via the German TB stallion Helikon. She is an honest and amazing girl but she had a bit of an unfortunate start in her life, I won’t go into it on a public forum . She is a registered Oldenburg. (Basically is that German TB????)

OH bought her at 5yrs but he had so many troubles to overcome because of her bad experiences before that she is now 10 yrs old and just about ready to go international.

We are hoping to take her to a 2** or 3** for her to reach her potential and after perhaps to have an amazing foal that has more luck in life than she had.

For us, she is a fantastic horse for life, her limit has been limited by stupid people but for us but she is always our girl and she stays here.

What we are considering is a foal with her that would reflect her fantastic potential as a sports horse.

After seeing Burghley at the weekend (and me being a touch Eire biased) I am very interested in recommending ISH stallions for her. I do understand and I have observed the power of the ISH in cross country.

I don’t want to post pictures of her on a public forum right now but I do appreciate that there are many good breeders who could give us advice. OH has a good knowledge of the German/French stud books but I want to give an interest here on the amazing ISH.

All replies gratefully receieved.

Belgium x
 
As far as I know there is still some frozen semen available from Cavalier Royale. Cruising would be another good choice - probably quite dependent on your mares conformation. Kings Master again might be worth looking at - hes a son of Master Imp who is producing some night FEHL horses at the moment.He is by the same sire as Lenamore. Most of those I cn think of off thge top of my head are warmbloods though - Ricardo Z, Limmerick etc. A lot of the young eventers and those on the national scene in ireland compete half-breds, usually with Cloverhill/KoD somewhere in their breeding but perhaps many of these arent blood enough to make the time x country at the higher levels these days.
Irish TBs are also very popular event sires - probably the better ones at the moment being Ghareeb, Bonnie Prince and Cult Hero.
 
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It's hard to advise without knowing the mare's build, conformation, weak points and strong points. If she was a heavier type OLD she may be better crossed with an Irish TB. I have done this with my BWP mare and have a cracking colt. You could look at Cruising's Mickey Finn. He is a son of Cruising and a super performer. The TB route would mean covering the mare naturally so she would have to travel. I understand you don't want to post pics of the mare but more info is necessary!
 
Does she share the same dam as Seacookie? as Seacookie is also by Helikon.
What percentage tb is there in the dam?

One stallion I think will become a great event stallion is Royal Concorde- he is ISH x KWPN, and has won lots of speed derbies at Hickstead/Hamburg etc he is said to have one of the best motherlines in Ireland as his dam/grandam has produced a string of International showjumpers,many of which stand as stallions in their own right. The damline is King of Diamond X Mossborough (TB) x Seven Bells (TB) ( and also the damsire of Jumbo) R.C's sire Concorde is by Voltaire who has proven to be one of the top event sires.

This is him, I think he just looks amazing& you can easily see him producing eventing stock when crossed with TB mares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZOZW18fKyI
 
Thanks for all the advice. I'm off to do some more research now to find out more about her dam (not the same as Seacookie).

I know nothing about breeding (apart from the obvious ;))so I'm finding all this research really interesting. We probably won't do anything for 2 years or so but when we do, I intend to have done all the research and have found her the right "man" so to speak.
 
If you are not planning on doing anything for a couple of years then I would keep an eye out at results etc. There are more up & coming stallions appearing all the time! Rocky (Royal Conocorde) is a great suggestion. he has a super temperament and is a real competitor. Also just be aware that your mare is not a half sister to Sea Cookie. Half siblings refer to the dam not the stallion and having made that mistake myself years ago some breeders can be rudely pedantic about it!
 
amage said:
Also just be aware that your mare is not a half sister to Sea Cookie. Half siblings refer to the dam not the stallion and having made that mistake myself years ago some breeders can be rudely pedantic about it!
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Not wanting to be incredibly dumb... but how would one refer to a "half sibling" which shares a sire not dam, if not a half brother/sister. For instance I have a mare by Eugano. He was by Lugano Van La Roche who also sired Egano and Darco. It is complicated because Egano and Eugano's dams both share a sire, Flugel Van La Roche. So how are Egano and Eugano related, in terms of how I am supposed to correctly refer to it?! That has to almost 3/4 brothers?? Any ideas?

I love the ISH. I have a gorgeous mare who's grandsire was Cruising and think they are a lovely stamp of horse.
 
Oh dear, have I boo-booed on the jargon with half brothers/sisters :o As stated, I have no experience on breeding but I am a very willing and enthusiastic student.

I have obviously heard of Cruising and would be interested in any of his progeny.

Confirmation-wise......well....she's a little bit long in the back (we were VERY happy to see that Seacookie had this too and it wasn't just down to her being a mare). The bigger problem is that she does have long pasterns. It's not a problem for us to keep her sound but we do have to pay special attention to her legs after competitions (ice etc) but I get the feeling this isn't too far from normal.

Basically, she has a similar body to Seacookie but with longer legs and a bigger head.

Can't currently find her studbook (it's in the truck) but I will list her TB heritage on her mother's side.

But thanks for all the advice, I am still rooting for some Irish blood :D
 
crockshard said:
Not wanting to be incredibly dumb... but how would one refer to a "half sibling" which shares a sire not dam, if not a half brother/sister. For instance I have a mare by Eugano. He was by Lugano Van La Roche who also sired Egano and Darco. It is complicated because Egano and Eugano's dams both share a sire, Flugel Van La Roche. So how are Egano and Eugano related, in terms of how I am supposed to correctly refer to it?! That has to almost 3/4 brothers?? Any ideas?

I love the ISH. I have a gorgeous mare who's grandsire was Cruising and think they are a lovely stamp of horse.
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Horses which share a sire are referred to as being "by xyz" - they are not half brothers/sisters. Egano and Eugano would be described as being by Lugano v.la Roche.

Horses sharing a dam are half brothers/sisters.

To put it simply, as the mare can only have a limited number of offspring, they are identified as being "her" family. Stallions can have hundreds of offspring - these are not "his" family.
 
Oh yes, and by the way she is the bay in my title pic. Not a lot showing but you can see that she doesn't have the head of Seacookie.

The fatty to the right is my little sausage-horse before his exercise programme and the skinny to the left is an amazing mare OH used to train (a Darko grand-daughter). Gorgeous but nuts (as all the best of us women are eh? :p)
 
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