Issue raised during horse vetting

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I was referring to the childish, attitude of one forum member who couldn't have the decency to reference the post. I have read the other posts of this girl, and would take them with a pinch of salt. Now if that makes me a sheep so be it, I would rather folow advice from respected, trustworthy sources than a typo copy and pasted!
 
I like my attitude, its great, I take all posts with a pinch of salt, and flinty boy Im glad you enjoyed my posts and they engaged you enough to read them. I do prefer my rather childish attitude to your playboyish, mysogonist and propositioning one.

LOL This forum is fun
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I think you will find that its MISOGYNIST, and you will also find I dont openly hate all women, neither do I hate women in general. I dont see how I've propostioned any person on here and I'm certainly NO playboy... I believe though if you are going to hand out advice so freely that it needs to be correct, and that my dear, has been an idea that you just have not been able to grasp yet
 
Hi Flinty

YOUR QUOTE 'I believe though if you are going to hand out advice so freely that it needs to be correct, and that my dear, has been an idea that you just have not been able to grasp yet '

My advice needs to be correct indeed???? All advice is from different schools of thought and does not have to be of the pre approved type of olded and trusted members as you call them. Typing all day long on your computer to gain the experienced member status, makes you nothing of the sort, living REAL LIFE, outside the forum qualifies you to do that.

PMSL

Oooh, another insult, love it, keep them coming.

Quote above says you, and who the Wheezy crew lol

Oooh I grasp ideas all right, I definately beginning to understand you and I have read your posts as well, erm, yes WHATEVER.

And to the OP, hope this attitude does not put you of the forum, you have not got much of a welcome.

Lets get more nice peeps on here, than the troll peeps.
 
Ranchgirl:
Weezy asked you a very simple question of where you got the infomation from, is it so hard to post a link as to where the information came from? I don't see what you problem is in posting the link.

It is important to reference where you get your infomation from especially when we now live in an age that people will sue others for really petty things.

I feel sorry for the OP who asked a very simple question and the thread has turned in to something compeltly different.

Maxie:
As the vet passed the horse I would have no problems in buying the horse, especially as I have known a few with jumpers bumps and they have never had any problems. Good luck with whatever you decide
 
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Ignoring all the silly arguing - I'd always understood a hunters/jumpers bump to be a slight hump behind the croup - an oddity of conformation, no more, that some people believe indicates the horse will be a good hunter/jumper.

If you are not sure what the vet meant by it you should check - once you know you won't worry - the vet obviously didn't think you have any reason not to buy the horse
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I think it's misogynistic actually when used in that context.....

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Misogyny (GA /mɪ.ˈsɑ.ʤə.ni/, RP /mɪ.ˈsɒ.ʤə.ni/) is hatred or strong prejudice against women. The word comes from the Greek words μίσος (misos, "hatred") + γυνη (gunê, "woman"). Compared with anti-woman sexism or misandry (hatred, strong prejudice against men), misogyny is termed by most feminist theories as a political ideology like racism and antisemitism that justifies and maintains the subordination of women to men.

There are many different forms of misogyny. In its most overt expression, a misogynist will openly hate all women simply because they are female. Some sexual predators may fall into this category.

Other forms of misogyny may be more subtle. Some misogynists may simply be prejudiced against all women, or may hate women who do not fall into one or more acceptable categories. Entire cultures may be said to be misogynist if they treat women in ways that can be seen as harmful. Examples include forcing women to tend to all domestic responsibilities, demanding silence from a woman, or beating a woman. Subscribers to one model, the mother/whore dichotomy, hold that women can only be "mothers" or "whores." Another variant is the virgin/whore dichotomy, in which women who do not adhere to a saintly standard of moral purity are considered "whores."

Frequently the term misogynist is used in a looser sense as a term of derision to describe anyone who holds an unpopular or distasteful view about women as a group. A man who considers himself "a great lover of women," therefore, might somewhat paradoxically be termed a misogynist by those who consider his treatment of women sexist. Archetypes of this type of man might be Giacomo Casanova and Don Juan, who were both reputed for their many libertine affairs with women. Misogyny is a negative attitude towards women as a group, and so need not fully determine a misogynist's attitude towards each individual woman. The fact that someone holds misogynist views may not prevent them from having positive relationships with some women. Conversely, simply having negative relationships with some women does not necessarily mean someone holds misogynistic views. The term, like most negative descriptions of attitudes, is used as an epithet and applied to a wide variety of behaviors and attitudes. As with other terms, the more antipathetic one's position is in regards to misogyny, the larger the number of misogynists and the greater variety of attitudes and behaviors who fall into one's perception of "misogynist".[specify] This is, of course, the subject of much controversy and debate with opinions ranging widely as to the extent and breadth of misogyny in society.


[edit] Misogyny in philosophy and religion
Some religions and philosophies contain what could be called misogyny.

During the Great Jubilee, Pope John Paul II issued an apology for all the past sins of the Roman Catholic Church, dividing the sins into seven categories. Amongst general sins, sins in service of the truth, sins against Christian unity, sins against Jews, sins against respect of love, peace and culture, and sins against human rights, he also apologized for sins against the dignity of women and minorities.

The church has been criticized for being misogynistic. "The foundations of early Christian misogyny- its guilt about sex, its insistence on female subjection, its dread of female seduction- are all in St. Paul's epistles. They provided a convenient supply of divinely inspired misogynistic texts for any Christian writer who chose to use them; his statements on female subjection were still being quoted in the twentieth century opponents of equality for women" The Troublesome Helpmate: A History of Misogyny in Literature Katherine M. Rogers, 1966. Writers such as John Knox have been singled out for criticism.

However, given that Mary Magdalene became a saint and was one of the first witnesses to the Resurrection of Jesus, many argue that Christianity has ultimately raised the status of women, despite the attitudes of some individuals. In the New Testament, Jesus treats women with respect, even going so far as to save a woman caught in adultery from stoning in John 8. See the article on Christian feminism for a fuller discussion. The role of women in other religions such as Islam is discussed at Feminist Theology.

Arthur Schopenhauer is famous for his essay "On Women" (Über die Weiber), in which he expressed his opposition to what he called "Teutonico-Christian stupidity" on female affairs. He claimed that "woman is by nature meant to obey." The essay does give two compliments however: that "women are decidedly more sober in their judgment than [men] are" and are more sympathetic to the suffering of others. However, the latter was discounted as weakness rather than humanitarian virtue.

Nietzsche is known for arguing that every higher form of civilization implied stricter controls on women [Beyond Good and Evil, 7:238]; he frequently insulted women, but is best known for phrases such as "Women are less than shallow," and "Are you going to women? Do not forget the whip!" [1] Nietzche's reputation as a misogynist is disputed by some, pointing out that he also made unflattering statements about men. Nietszche can easily be interpreted as anti-feminist, believing that women were primarily mothers and opposing the modern notion of women's liberation on the grounds that he considered it a form of slave morality. Whether or not this amounts to misogyny, whether his polemic statements against women are meant to be taken literally, and the exact nature of his opinions of women, are more controversial.[2]

The philosopher Otto Weininger, in his 1903 book Sex and Character, characterized the "woman" part of each individual as being essentially "nothing", and having no real existence, having no effective consciousness or rationality.[3] Weininger says, "No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them." The author August Strindberg praised Weininger for probably having solved the hardest of all problems, the "woman problem".

Misogyny in literature
In an article titled World Religions, Women and Education, Ursula King clearly states that women "were always excluded from formal education once sacred knowledge became transmitted in an institutional manner".[4]

-In William Shakespeare's Hamlet, the main character Hamlet shows misogyny that develops throughout the play.[citation needed]

-In the Middle-English poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, when Gawain realizes he has been duped by the Green Knight's wife, he goes on a rant against the "wiles of women," which has often been interpreted by scholars as misogynist



Here like a good chap are my references:



[edit] Notes
^ Burgard, Peter J. (May 1994). Nietzsche and the Feminine. Charlottesville, VA: University of Virginia Press, p. 11. ISBN 0-8139-1495-7.
^ Robert C. Holub, Nietzsche and The Women's Question. Coursework for Berkley University
^ Izenberg, Gerald N. (June 2001). "review of Chandak Sengoopta's Otto Weininger: Sex, Science, and Self in Imperial Vienna". The American Historical Review 106 (3): pp. 1074-1075. Retrieved on 2007-01-08.
^ King, Ursula (1987). "World Religions, Women and Education". Comparative Education 23 (1): 35-49. ISSN 0305-0068 (print); ISSN 1360-0486 (online). Retrieved on 2007-01-20.

[edit] Further reading
Boteach, Shmuley. Hating Women: America's Hostile Campaign Against the Fairer Sex. 2005.
Clack, Beverley. Misogyny in the Western Philosophical Tradition.
Ellmann, Mary. Thinking About Women. 1968.
Forward, Susan, and Joan Torres. Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them: When Loving Hurts and You Don't Know Why. Bantam Books, 1986. ISBN 0-553-28037-6
Gilmore, David D. Misogyny: the Male Malady. 2001.
Haskell, Molly. From Reverence to Rape: The Treatment of Women in the Movies. 1974. University of Chicago Press, 1987.
Holland, Jack. Misogyny: The World's Oldest Prejudice. 2006.
Kipnis, Laura. The Female Thing: Dirt, Sex, Envy, Vulnerability. 2006. ISBN 0-375-42417-2
Lehrman, Karen. The Lipstick Proviso: Women, Sex & Power in the Real World. 1997. ISBN 0-385-47481-4
Patai, Daphne, and Noretta Koertge. Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies. 1995. ISBN 0-465-09827-4
Penelope, Julia. Speaking Freely: Unlearning the Lies of our Fathers' Tongues. Toronto: Pergamon Press Canada, 1990.
Morgan, Fidelis. A Misogynist's Source Book.
Rogers, Katharine M. The Troublesome Helpmate: A History of Misogyny in Literature. 1966.
Smith, Joan. Misogynies. 1989. Revised 1993.
World Health Organization Multi-country Study on Women's Health and Domestic Violence against Women* 2005.
 
So no, misogynist is just as valid a useage as misogynistic.

I do agree though; if one is going to be prejudiced it is important to do so with correct grammer.
 
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So no, misogynist is just as valid a useage as misogynistic.

I do agree though; if one is going to be prejudiced it is important to do so with correct grammer.

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Of course it's a valid usage - couldn't agree more with gramm ar
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being correct though.

I was pointing out that it wasn't used in its correct context.

Flintus is being misogynistic
Flintus is a misogynist

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Flintus - no harm meant - just proving a point!
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No offence taken at all. I will though suggest that people have a serious think about me attending wheezy's party. It is mainly women and I would hate to proposistion and act like a playboy. Gay men often act in that manner
 
Oooh, Flinty I was not suggesting you propositioned women, that would be very out of character. You know what they say, 'When the cats away the mice do play'????
Or at least they try too

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How funny!
OP - A jumpers bump is a plus in my eyes. It generally emans the horse can jump right off his hocks, and I have never known a horse develop problems/issues from having one.
The only downside is that these types of horses drop right off behind. It is very difficult to get them in the fat a55ed, rounded shape that most see as an ideal.
Unless you want a show horse, id say go for it.
 
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Oooh, Flinty I was not suggesting you propositioned women, that would be very out of character. You know what they say, 'When the cats away the mice do play'????
Or at least they try too

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Well I dont know what Cat you are talking about sweetie.
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I wouldnt have a problem with buying the horse if the vet has passed him fit for purpose.
you could always give your vet a ring and ask him to clarify what he meant?

Ranchgirl - Perhaps you should read your comments back and grow up.
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but be aware all my posts are to be taken with a pinch of salt, so dont take offence.

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Even with "a pinch of salt" they are pretty tasteless.

Sorry, couldn't resist
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I'll try too grow up, thanks for that, but be aware all my posts are to be taken with a pinch of salt, so dont take offence.

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The person who started this thread only wanted some advice and I dont think its fair to clutter people's threads up with petty childish posts.
THAT is what spoils the forum.
 
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The person who started this thread only wanted some advice and I dont think its fair to clutter people's threads up with petty childish posts.
THAT is what spoils the forum.

Like your post huh, sorry couldnt resist that one either

I thought myself more an ornament than clutter???

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I think you will find that its MISOGYNIST, and you will also find I dont openly hate all women, neither do I hate women in general. I dont see how I've propostioned any person on here and I'm certainly NO playboy... I believe though if you are going to hand out advice so freely that it needs to be correct, and that my dear, has been an idea that you just have not been able to grasp yet

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IM A PLAYGIRL LET ME JOIN IN ! X
 
Like one of those yorkshire terrier things, funny to watch but once they start yapping on you feel like kicking them in the head...
 
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