It's official - I've been kicked out.

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Shantara

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I got yet another text from YM today, saying that Ned is dangerous. He's really not! Especially not in the field! He's a complete pain in the backside, sure! But not dangerous (at least not to anyone but himself).

Apparently, one of the novice liveries was waving a shavings fork in his face and trying to jab him with it, saying he was evil! The poor boy had done NOTHING wrong. I was told he was standing there looking a bit confused.

Thankfully, as I was getting texts from YM, I got a text from a yard which has fantastic fields, that he can't jump out of woo! So I'm thinking of going there. I'm going to look round in a few days :)

I know why he's gone like this and YM agrees - MARES! We have enough land to separate mares and geldings, but it's not going to happen. YO only had 2 mares and they were never a bother to any gelding. YM decided to buy in a bunch of hormonal mares and it's really upset the entire yard.

So much for 12 years of loyal service. YO would never have kicked me out.
A little fed up, but glad that I'm getting out of there.
 
Sorry to here your situation, although if someone had been waving a shavings fork at my horse & tried to jab with it I would be moving anyway. Fingers crossed the other place is nice & let us know how it goes :). How is Ned doing anyway?
 
It would probably be too obvious to ask why this person was waving a shavings fork at him!

Oh well, I hope the new place is the right thing for you and him :-)
 
ergh you have my sympathies with new liveries making urs go nuts - I had this with two last year, fortunately they were my liveries so go given the heave ho!

New yard, new start onwards and upwards :)
 
Amymay - they're coming on Monday, will post an update then :)
I've been looking to leave for a while, which is why I'm going without a fuss. If I wanted to stay, she would have a hell of a fight to make me go!
I've been there for 12 years.

Mandwhy - I would like to know too, to be honest!! He could be described as "one to watch out for" when he's tied on the yard as he can fidget and doesn't watch his legs, but in the field, he doesn't bother with anyone unless you're feeding them, which is a terrible idea in a herd as big as that. She's a complete novice (doesn't know how headcollars work really), her pony is an awful flirt and doesn't like to be caught.

I really really hope so, I just want Ned to be happy :(
 
TigerTail said:
ergh you have my sympathies with new liveries making urs go nuts - I had this with two last year, fortunately they were my liveries so go given the heave ho!

New yard, new start onwards and upwards :)
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It's just so unfair.
YM even said to me "You need to start thinking of Ned and stop thinking of yourself"
I've thought of nothing BUT that bloomin' animal since I got him!!
She's the one who takes Turkish holidays instead of paying for things horses in her care need!

She's been getting to me for ages, she really has.
 
So sorry you have problem of moving again. If you can find a nice yard with safe fencing, then it would be so much better for you both.

Sending good vibes that it works out for you this time.
 
Good luck with the move, your YM sounds like a real pest! I suspect she feels threatened by the fact that you have been there longer than she has!
 
I really hope this new place works out - you and Ned deserve to be happy.

I can't believe that even someone unexperienced with horses, thinks that it's OK to shove a fork in a horse's face in that way. Plus the YM took their side! Holy flip!
 
Faracat said:
I really hope this new place works out - you and Ned deserve to be happy.

I can't believe that even someone unexperienced with horses, thinks that it's OK to shove a fork in a horse's face in that way. Plus the YM took their side! Holy flip!
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I just really want him to be happy. He looks so stressed at the moment :(

An eye witness (who wouldn't lie about this other woman, or Ned) told me Ned wasn't doing a thing! He was just walking across the field, not even paying attention to her, then she starts waving her fork at him and he stopped to look at her.
She apparently has said Ned has almost jumped on her a few times :S I don't get that...when I ask for an explanation, I don't get one!
 
Not fair, Faracat - I shove forks in my horses' faces all the time when they come and try and knock my wheelbarrow over in the field! Difference is, they're my horses ;)

To be honest though, Nah, you're best off away from there and as far away from your (rather peculiar) YM and her hopeless clients as possible.
 
JFTD said:
Not fair, Faracat - I shove forks in my horses' faces all the time when they come and try and knock my wheelbarrow over in the field! Difference is, they're my horses ;)

To be honest though, Nah, you're best off away from there and as far away from your (rather peculiar) YM and her hopeless clients as possible.
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I wouldn't have minded so much if he was actually being dangerous! I've shoved a fork in another horses face, but he was shoving both front hooves in mine and had me trapped in a corner! The fact he was doing nothing makes my blood boil.

Yea, I can't wait to get out and was actively looking for somewhere else to go. But he's now been labelled dangerous and he's not :(
 
mmm, I wasn't defending her. As I say, it's different with your own, or in self defence (and I've lashed out at horses with similar things myself). You have to wonder why someone so oblivious to horse sense - or common sense - is allowed in the field with the horses. I wouldn't worry about the label - it means very little. Lots of horses are mislabelled dangerous. My old cob was kicked out of an RS for being "dangerous", when what they meant was he was bad for business (he was :p ) - hasn't stopped me having many ridiculously over-inflated offers to buy him over the years or ever had his reputation preceed him on a yard.

Most yards have at least one truly dangerous horse which puts anything with a vague and undeserved reputation into perspective!
 
JFTD said:
Not fair, Faracat - I shove forks in my horses' faces all the time when they come and try and knock my wheelbarrow over in the field! Difference is, they're my horses ;)
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I'm reading between the lines (and possibly getting it wrong ;)) but I feel your fork wielding probably isn't as aggressive as this seems to have been. :p

ETA - When I said 'in that way' I meant when the horse was doing nothing wrong.
 
Faracat said:
I'm reading between the lines (and possibly getting it wrong ;)) but I feel your fork wielding probably isn't as aggressive as this seems to have been. :p
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Oh I'm about as aggressive as they come... I don't like having to do a job twice for no good reason :D

eta - is this a good time to mention that I once poked my Toby-dog up the nostril with the prong of a shavings fork? It bled for AAAAges! (In fairness, he ran onto my fork when I was flicking his ball in the air - this one wasn't meaningless violence :p )
 
JFTD - not at all! Didn't think you were :)
I've had to rescue her several times from her own pony. She is NOT a novice pony, even a girl who's been riding for a while and copes with tricky ponies has trouble with her. She teases Ned the whole time too :(

Ester - She moved away to the Caribbean (which is why I have Ned now). She's actually coming back for a visit at the end of the month. I really hope she is horrified with what she finds! If I remember rightly, she's not been told about that surprise foal Lottie the other month...ha! She still owns the yard and some of the horses/ponies in it, but she entrusted YM to actually run the yard. I don't know how much they talk, though.
 
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You will be fine - I left my yard after 25 years after my YO assaulted my farrier - best thing I ever did - my horses were totally different and the sense of freedom was awesome :)
 
I can only wonder why the only people being blamed is everyone but your horse? Why not ask what the situation is and how it could be resolved by you? Too many owners get offended when their horses are doing something without realising they personally are not doing it, but the horse is and that needs resolved.
 
SusieT said:
I can only wonder why the only people being blamed is everyone but your horse? Why not ask what the situation is and how it could be resolved by you? Too many owners get offended when their horses are doing something without realising they personally are not doing it, but the horse is and that needs resolved.
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I have said he's a pain in the bum, he really really is! But he is not dangerous, that's my point.
He is only reacting to 5 hormonal mares being randomly added to his field. He was perfectly happy before then.
 
but regardless, thats 5 horses and he's 1. It's not this novice liveries fault that she is obviously scared by him. EVerything is 'but he's only doing this because..' he's still doing it. And it doesn't mean your making him do it, but it is happening. -and annoying to you might be very scarey to someone else.
 
SusieT said:
but regardless, thats 5 horses and he's 1. It's not this novice liveries fault that she is obviously scared by him. EVerything is 'but he's only doing this because..' he's still doing it. And it doesn't mean your making him do it, but it is happening. -and annoying to you might be very scarey to someone else.
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I might agree with you if he were pestering the livery (for whatever reason - food, attention etc) but since Nah hasn't said he was doing anything, nor related anything the YM has accused him of doing specifically, other than being "dangerous", we can only presume he wasn't. I think this is more a reflection on the YM's personal feelings towards Nah than the horse's behaviour.

I could be wrong, of course, since I didn't witness the event ;)
 
I do agree with you to an extent, but I have tried! I've tried very hard.

YM doesn't actually seem to mind me (probably because I'm a push-over), but I know she hates Ned. ANY little thing he does is blown right out of proportion. For instance I got a text saying "He's smashed the fence down! Get here asap" one plank of wood was snapped, which took me 2 mins to replace. I didn't expect her to replace the plank, but there was no need for the drama.
Another livery stood up for him (who is actually quite a novice herself, she's only there for her daughter) and told me he was doing nothing.
Still hopefully he'll be ok at his new yard :( the YO seems really nice!
 
I just wrote an epic post and it disappeared. :angry:
(First attempt at a smilie so it may not work)
Basically its weird how some people take a unexplained dislike/fear to a horse. I have one of my horses nearly 20 years, I'd be the very first person to tell you he was a b*****d if he was. A livery had her horse stabled next to mine and she decided my horse was evil/dangerous simply because of "the look in his eye"

On the flip side, now I have a place of my own, my friend kept her horse at my house. She saw her horse 1hr x 5 days a week. I saw him 14hrs x 7 days a week. She used to come up and see her poor baby had a few bite marks. I saw he was a serious bully who cornered each horse and acted aggressively/dangerously at least once a day (so all the other horses bit him in defence)
He used to bully one particular mare so badly that she started to resort to jumping a 5ft gate to get away from him. The geldings owner declared that the mare must be crazy.

I'm not suggesting that your horse is similar. By the sounds of it you are a very dedicated owner that spends more than a few hrs a week with their horse. However if you do spend the bare minimum with your horse, just remember there are many more hours in the week for him to act bold/dangerous.

Best if luck with the move. As the saying goes, a change is as good as a rest
 
If they could actually tell me what he's did wrong to the livery, I would say sorry! I've said sorry to everyone he's actually annoyed/acted out with.

People have also blamed him for crimes he either didn't commit OR things no one saw him do. A mare came in with a kick and a small cut, the owner instantly said "That Ned!!!" when I knew for a fact Ned wasn't near her and another mare was fighting with her. I said this and got "Hm!" in return.
He is getting too big for his boots and will answer for things he's actually done, but apparently Ned seems the only one able to do wrong at that yard. All the other horses are saints, of course.
 
I feel your pain. We once had a horse that was blamed for rugs getting ripped - it started before he came, it happened when he wasn't in the field & carried on after he died. Funnily enough it started after the YO pony was moved into our group & the rug ripping in his old group stopped at the same time. Couldn't possibly have been him though.
 
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