Miss Tipps
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Wow - its great to keep an open mind huh???
I've turned down a buyer this evening because
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henryhorn
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I am afraid I too would do exactly the same thing..
With good reason, a four year old horse we sold as perfectly behaved, jumping steady clear rounds went to a parelli disciple and she played with it for three months before attempting to get on it's back.
By that time it was so confused it bucked her straight off and was unrideable.
She wouldn't sell it back to us for the same price either.
So if anyone mentioned the P word here they would politely get shown the door....
With good reason, a four year old horse we sold as perfectly behaved, jumping steady clear rounds went to a parelli disciple and she played with it for three months before attempting to get on it's back.
By that time it was so confused it bucked her straight off and was unrideable.
She wouldn't sell it back to us for the same price either.
So if anyone mentioned the P word here they would politely get shown the door....
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Donkeymad
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Good on you JM07 *thumbs up*
brighteyes
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Weeeeeell, I think a lot of them are nutters, but I have seen one horse calmed down by it and then ridden properly once it was chilled out by those game things. I'm not saying orthodox methods wouldn't have worked but PP was a means to an end and the end was most definitely worth it.
Also, the horse wasn't bought with the intention of trying to 'hocus pocus' it with NH. It just responded and became a happy, relaxed but up for anything little horse. He was a mad little bugger - Welsh D cross Arab and hunted to within an inch of its sanity, before being sold with a bit of a reputation for whizzing off without warning - or fear of being stopped! I followed it over some Welsh Mountains at a decent lick with not much above a headcollar on it and it's manners were impeccable. I don't know how or why, but they were.
But yeah, I think most devotees are fruitcakes and I wouldn't sell to one unless they had a string of Parellied ones all being ridden normally.
Shoot me now but I wouldn't sell to anyone who smokes.........
But yeah, I think most devotees are fruitcakes and I wouldn't sell to one unless they had a string of Parellied ones all being ridden normally.
Shoot me now but I wouldn't sell to anyone who smokes.........
itsme123
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Shoot me now but I wouldn't sell to anyone who smokes.........
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why on earth not?? would you not sell to anyone who drinks alcohol either??
Shoot me now but I wouldn't sell to anyone who smokes.........
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why on earth not?? would you not sell to anyone who drinks alcohol either??
Natch
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Castlemouse and Henmeister too - oi!
Not all NH people can be tarred with the same brush as Parelli, thank you very much.
Some of us have very well mannered horses that are by no means brain dead, and even still ride with bits and, shock horror, compete like normal people too!!
Not all NH people can be tarred with the same brush as Parelli, thank you very much.
Shannagolden
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Wow - its great to keep an open mind huh???
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Yes.
That is why after finding out more about parelli's methods, and the effect it has on horse's (and previously sane humans) I have come to the conclusion that they are effing nutters and pat & linda parelli are more than likely the first to ridicule their faithful followers (in private company of course). The parelli people are like a religious cult. I'm suprised they don't bang on my door at 7am hoping to save my soul from the evils of the BHS.
Wow - its great to keep an open mind huh???
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Yes.
That is why after finding out more about parelli's methods, and the effect it has on horse's (and previously sane humans) I have come to the conclusion that they are effing nutters and pat & linda parelli are more than likely the first to ridicule their faithful followers (in private company of course). The parelli people are like a religious cult. I'm suprised they don't bang on my door at 7am hoping to save my soul from the evils of the BHS.
itsme123
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yes, there are some that seem quite normal.
Same couldnt be said for the odd bodd who was spotted reining back right the way round the practice ring at a local show. can you imagine? kids cantering round, some popping the jumps... and this horse walking backwards on the outside track wearing just a haltar and the rider decked out in full cowgirl costome (albeit wearing a proper hat as per the show's rules).
There were a few swear words coming from other riders....
Same couldnt be said for the odd bodd who was spotted reining back right the way round the practice ring at a local show. can you imagine? kids cantering round, some popping the jumps... and this horse walking backwards on the outside track wearing just a haltar and the rider decked out in full cowgirl costome (albeit wearing a proper hat as per the show's rules).
There were a few swear words coming from other riders....
Laafet
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I can see where you are coming from but things like the comments made by people on Project Horses about only selling their horses to people that do P or NH and Pat Parelli proganda in the horsey mags that makes out that if you don't do parelli then you don't love your horse gets my back up. Even Monty Roberts says he is open to other peoples techniques which is at least a more balanced way to view horse training.
Shannagolden
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BTW I'm not at all against keeping horse's as close to natural as they can be - indeed mine live out most of the time. It's a shame the whole NH movement was hi-jaked by parelli.
Weezy
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This has to be the funniest thing I have ever read - why on EARTH would a home be disregarded because the owner smokes?!!!
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This has to be the funniest thing I have ever read - why on EARTH would a home be disregarded because the owner smokes?!!!
conniegirl
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If they are rude enough to smoke on my yard i wouldnt sell to them, i wont tolerate smoking on my yard simply becuse it is dangerous and if they are willing to put my horses at risk then they will be worse with thier own, they will get asked to leave if they light up.
If they smoke at home, in the car or anywhere away from the yard then i realy dont mind but no one smokes on my yard, not even the builders who are putting up the house extension.
As for parelli bods, delt with a few of them and have had one pony who had been parellized, he was a nasty piece of work when he arrived, it took alot of hard work but we sorted his head out eventualy
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why on earth not?? would you not sell to anyone who drinks alcohol either??
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If they are rude enough to smoke on my yard i wouldnt sell to them, i wont tolerate smoking on my yard simply becuse it is dangerous and if they are willing to put my horses at risk then they will be worse with thier own, they will get asked to leave if they light up.
If they smoke at home, in the car or anywhere away from the yard then i realy dont mind but no one smokes on my yard, not even the builders who are putting up the house extension.
As for parelli bods, delt with a few of them and have had one pony who had been parellized, he was a nasty piece of work when he arrived, it took alot of hard work but we sorted his head out eventualy
Weezy
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Errrrrrrrrrr anyone that lights up on someone else's yard is just rude - it doesn't mean they are not great horsemen! You are perfectly in your rights to tell someone not to light up on your yard - but the poster said they wouldn't sell a horse to anyone that smokes, which I find hysterically funny!
Natch
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... and Pat Parelli proganda in the horsey mags that makes out that if you don't do parelli then you don't love your horse gets my back up. Even Monty Roberts says he is open to other peoples techniques which is at least a more balanced way to view horse training.
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I will try not to get started on the Americanism of NH by the Parellis and just exactly how much harm they have done to tarnish the name of NH.
I'm afraid I just get so frustrated when people start confusing Parelli with ALL other types of NH - there are a lot, and IMO some good and some not so good, but its just SO frustrating that nowadays NH = Parelli in lots of people's minds. IMHO Parelli most certainly does no equal NH because it doesn't live by the basic principals ............ oh dear I've gone off on one, haven't I!!
... and Pat Parelli proganda in the horsey mags that makes out that if you don't do parelli then you don't love your horse gets my back up. Even Monty Roberts says he is open to other peoples techniques which is at least a more balanced way to view horse training.
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I will try not to get started on the Americanism of NH by the Parellis and just exactly how much harm they have done to tarnish the name of NH.
I'm afraid I just get so frustrated when people start confusing Parelli with ALL other types of NH - there are a lot, and IMO some good and some not so good, but its just SO frustrating that nowadays NH = Parelli in lots of people's minds. IMHO Parelli most certainly does no equal NH because it doesn't live by the basic principals ............ oh dear I've gone off on one, haven't I!!
skewbaldpony
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The trouble is that the Americans, be it Parelli or Monty Roberts, all start from the point that they are so humane, because the alternative is roping and branding.
Well hello, we never did much of that over here, and the difference between genuine natural horsemanship (no coloured sticks and balls, if you'll excuse the expression, just dreamed up to make money) and the good old tried and tested advice I had in my Manual of Horsemanship (blue) and Training the Young Horse and Pony (green) in Pony Club 6 gazillion years ago, is really almost imperceptible.
Both are just common (horse) sense.
That tradition of fine horsemanship never needed a new lable.
As an example, my very fine old batwing jodphured riding school proprietress, long before anyone had invented NH, taught you how to catch a horse by walking away from it. Unfortunately for her she did not do macrame and did not have a degree in marketing
Well hello, we never did much of that over here, and the difference between genuine natural horsemanship (no coloured sticks and balls, if you'll excuse the expression, just dreamed up to make money) and the good old tried and tested advice I had in my Manual of Horsemanship (blue) and Training the Young Horse and Pony (green) in Pony Club 6 gazillion years ago, is really almost imperceptible.
Both are just common (horse) sense.
That tradition of fine horsemanship never needed a new lable.
As an example, my very fine old batwing jodphured riding school proprietress, long before anyone had invented NH, taught you how to catch a horse by walking away from it. Unfortunately for her she did not do macrame and did not have a degree in marketing
hayleyc
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there is a lady whos yard backs onto mine and she does this parelli stuff, she charges like £30 per hour or £250 for a week of her doing wierd things with horses (running towards them and jumping up and down shaking ropes at them) she says other people treat horses as machines. a few of her horses are so thin and one wind sucks on another horses back.
after seeing how she looks after horses and what they do with them, i wouldnt sell one of mine to someone like this either.
after seeing how she looks after horses and what they do with them, i wouldnt sell one of mine to someone like this either.
digger2
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The parelli people are like a religious cult. I'm suprised they don't bang on my door at 7am hoping to save my soul from the evils of the BHS.
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In the office reading this trying not to lol!!
I put in my loan agreement NO PARELLI shi*te (not quite those words ha)
The parelli people are like a religious cult. I'm suprised they don't bang on my door at 7am hoping to save my soul from the evils of the BHS.
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In the office reading this trying not to lol!!
I put in my loan agreement NO PARELLI shi*te (not quite those words ha)
mickey
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I have used NH methods in getting my horse more respectul and less bargy/all over my space. TBH they have been totally invaluable. Some of the Parelli literature has helped me with this.
What is the difference between someone that uses NH techniques in handling their horse and a 'Parelli disciple'.
I have to admit I have not read all the very long chains on here about Parelli - But can someone tell me why it is so despised??
What is the difference between someone that uses NH techniques in handling their horse and a 'Parelli disciple'.
I have to admit I have not read all the very long chains on here about Parelli - But can someone tell me why it is so despised??
Darkly_Dreaming_Dex
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We bought our appy from a lovely "old school" horsewoman who gleefully told us how she had turned down a higher offer from a woman who wanted him for Parelli
She wanted her boy to go to a proper hunting home- he loves it
Natch
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I'd start a new thread for that one to be honest....
mickey
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I think I'll give it a miss...............
ISHmad
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At the end of the day OP this is your horse so you sell him or her to whoever you like.
Spotsrock
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My sis does random bits of join up occassionally when we have a real head f*** in. Actually seems to work with most, only down side, my foalie now glues itself to your back in the field, a disconcerting experience!!! Still, vast improvement on previous leading attempts!!
No gadgets or anything else involved tho, and join up isn't very diff from how we dealt with difficult gee-gees when I was a kid, just with a diff name.
I don't really have time for all that, I'm very much a
'discipline your horse gently but firmly at home and it may be your own life you save out hacking' sort of person.
My horses behave well (on the whole) and I know I can escort anyone out on any horse and mine will never be the problem, They are well healthy happy and never beaten (though occassionally smacked), they just have manners.
No point treating horses like precocious children. They're horses.
At the end of the day it's your horse and your call. I've turned down sales of puppies coz they 'didn't feel right'. If you feel strongly wait for the home you want.
I do suspect one of my instructers of parelli like tendancies tho. . . .
No gadgets or anything else involved tho, and join up isn't very diff from how we dealt with difficult gee-gees when I was a kid, just with a diff name.
I don't really have time for all that, I'm very much a
'discipline your horse gently but firmly at home and it may be your own life you save out hacking' sort of person.
My horses behave well (on the whole) and I know I can escort anyone out on any horse and mine will never be the problem, They are well healthy happy and never beaten (though occassionally smacked), they just have manners.
No point treating horses like precocious children. They're horses.
At the end of the day it's your horse and your call. I've turned down sales of puppies coz they 'didn't feel right'. If you feel strongly wait for the home you want.
I do suspect one of my instructers of parelli like tendancies tho. . . .
SEER
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Why would you not sell your horse to someone that likes parelli?
I have been watching pat and linda parelli on sky and find them both very informative.
I can't wait to buy my first horse and put into practice some of their techniques.
I have been watching pat and linda parelli on sky and find them both very informative.
I can't wait to buy my first horse and put into practice some of their techniques.
Spotsrock
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it's the difference between liking and religiously following that's the issue, I think most of us use what works with each horse rather than insisting each horse works with the same technique. Some of is ok, all of is blindly following.
Tinypony
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Nice one Seer. Get on any thread where people have mentioned the P word and you can wind people up to you heart's content.
spaniel
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I wouldnt expect anything less from you JM. Good for you mate.
M_G
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Yaay good on ya JM yet more proof that you put the horses first
birchave0
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I will make a comment even if it means being shot down in flames!!!
Although I am not a Parelli Person I do use some elements of NH with my horses.
My TB mare would have a mental breakdown if you hit her or were indeed rough with her in any way....
However I find she responds to quiet but firm handling and the NH techniques have worked with her. I have used the NH halters on my youngsters which has helped teach then a few manners and indeed respect for me without resorting to screaming and shouting at them.
I think the NH/Parelli is like anything, suck it and see
I pick out the bits that I feel work for me and my horses, and bin the rest.
Although I am not a Parelli Person I do use some elements of NH with my horses.
My TB mare would have a mental breakdown if you hit her or were indeed rough with her in any way....
However I find she responds to quiet but firm handling and the NH techniques have worked with her. I have used the NH halters on my youngsters which has helped teach then a few manners and indeed respect for me without resorting to screaming and shouting at them.
I think the NH/Parelli is like anything, suck it and see
I pick out the bits that I feel work for me and my horses, and bin the rest.
Seahorse
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Yes that's the sensible way of looking at it, the problem with these parelli freaks is that they are so obsessed they can't do anything else and spend a fortune on carrot sticks and crap like that.
You only have to watch the audience on H&C TV at the parelli masterclass to see they've all been brainwashed!
You only have to watch the audience on H&C TV at the parelli masterclass to see they've all been brainwashed!