Jai Johnson

bucksdaphne said:
Hi Jai/Jay Johnson difficult/dangerous horse trainer applaud or avoid??
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I have only heard of him from a Facebook page i follow, all of the comments there seem positive about him, seems to be a talented rider who can work with tricky horses but i have never used or known anyone who has personally.
 
he's just been to Somerset to see a friends horse.... it was unrideable but after a couple of days it's hacking out.... some of the video looks a bit hair raising though...!
 
yup thats him. Its Jay though not Jai. The latest video of him riding an obviously lame horse made me feel sick and on that basis would put me off. He rides well but pushes them very hard and very fast. For a specific sort of horse this works and works well, but the fact hes prepared to get on a lame horse that the owner knows is lame but wants "jay to sort his head out first" means I wouldnt want to use him and support someone who would do that, regardless of the times he does good work.
 
Not for me at all to be honest. I see distressed animals, and in some cases lame animals, being ridden hard.
I don’t find anything amazing about a person being able to sit to rears and bucks being made by a clearly uncomfortable horse (tails swishing, lameness, pain signs in face)
I’m sure he’s probably had success stories and there’s certainly a lot of people who are in awe of him, but it’s not a service I would use.
 
Avoid! Not keen at all. He may get good results sometimes but at what cost to the horse? And how lasting are the results? If you have great stickability you can ride a horse till it gives up trying to get you off but it doesn't mean it has learned much.
 
I would say use him if you are prepared to join the list of people who used 'difficilt horse' specialists to break difficult horses, only to find out when they are five, six, seven that they were trying to tell you they were in pain from ulcers, kissing spines, stifle OCD (in the horse of a friend of mine), etc.
 
I've watched a few of this guys video - and they all make me cringe. And I also have a real issue with how he writes: 'Ya Ya Ya Ride the pony' :rolleyes:

I'm surprised the horses in these videos don't come away with some form of PTSD... I'd imagine they'll all come away with some major unpredictability issues.
 
Interestingly I was going to post a similar thread after watching some frankly uncomfortable videos of him on facebook. A fairly well known rider seems to swear by him, but once I had a browse on his facebook page I was completely put off.

Looks like he has quite an ego to contend with as well!
 
Sprat said:
Interestingly I was going to post a similar thread after watching some frankly uncomfortable videos of him on facebook. A fairly well known rider seems to swear by him, but once I had a browse on his facebook page I was completely put off.

Looks like he has quite an ego to contend with as well!
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If its the one with the blog with the grey rearer its her I was referring to further up. Seeing as the mare is still rearing and the new gelding is lame before, during and after, I think that says it all really.
 
Leo Walker said:
If its the one with the blog with the grey rearer its her I was referring to further up. Seeing as the mare is still rearing and the new gelding is lame before, during and after, I think that says it all really.
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Yep that’s the one. New gelding doesn’t look right at all.

What’s worrying is the amount of potentially impressionable people that will think this is the solution...
 
I've hidden her posts as it was starting to wind me up. Hundreds of comments about how great she is and how well shes doing all under a picture of the mare standing bolt upright over and over. Anyone who says anything about it is jumped on from a great height. I can see how people think its a good idea.

Its a shame as there are a tiny handful of horses that do need a pro like him to sit there while they work through it, but they are very few and far between and his page is like an advert for pain face and lame horses :(
 
Leo Walker said:
I've hidden her posts as it was starting to wind me up. Hundreds of comments about how great she is and how well shes doing all under a picture of the mare standing bolt upright over and over. Anyone who says anything about it is jumped on from a great height. I can see how people think its a good idea.

Its a shame as there are a tiny handful of horses that do need a pro like him to sit there while they work through it, but they are very few and far between and his page is like an advert for pain face and lame horses :(
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Totally agree LW.
 
I’ve watched some of the posts and they make me cringe. I think if major problems can be fixed in 3 days it’s never going to be a long lasting solution and is usually just that, a quick fix
 
Someone posted on the BSJA page a few months ago about him owing them a massive amount of money in unpaid livery/bills and warning people off of him. It must have been taken down but it was then that I looked at his page and was immediately put off. You couldn’t call him a rider by any means.
The “ya ya” thing really grinds my gears too.
 
Leo Walker said:
Dont believe all you see on Blake McCuskers page. Hes done some very dodgy things and I wouldnt buy a horse off him if you paid me!
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Had a look at one of the videos out of interest. He's riding a mare obviously unfazed by the plastic bag he's banging about her neck etc but he doesn't know when to stop, it goes on and on. I'm no expert but isn't that just going to produce a shut down horse? Was not impressed anyway.
 
Leo Walker said:
Dont believe all you see on Blake McCuskers page. Hes done some very dodgy things and I wouldnt buy a horse off him if you paid me!
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It was when I heard he had one up for sale that I knew when she retired from racing that I had a look on his page. The mare was going sweetly (she always did) but obviously no mention of the thickened tendon and the fact she'd never stayed sound for more than a month at a time. Buyer beware I guess.
 
spends way too much time on the floor imo, he either cant read horses or cant train them as he seems to fall off too often to be doing a consistently good job!
 
Never heard of him. Looked him up last night. Made me feel quite uncomfortable and wouldn’t be someone I’d be rushing to. Maybe a last resort before a bullet but there are much better options out there for working through problems imo
 
Hes £1500 for 4 days so on a day rate hes much more expensive than Michael Peace, I dont know about Jason Webb.

I see hes gone into business with the owner of the grey rearer. It sounds almost like a franchise situation. Hes sending her horses that shes going to train under his name and using his methods. Sounds even more barmy to me!
 
Leo Walker said:
Hes £1500 for 4 days so on a day rate hes much more expensive than Michael Peace, I dont know about Jason Webb.

I see hes gone into business with the owner of the grey rearer. It sounds almost like a franchise situation. Hes sending her horses that shes going to train under his name and using his methods. Sounds even more barmy to me!
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well I know who I'd rather send a horse to (MP out of the two)
 
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