Jazz progeny...

I really don't think you can generalise about "German" or "Dutch" in that way. Lauries Crusader was Hannovarian stallion of the year a few years back and he's FULL tb! KWPN, like Hann and a lot of the other German studbooks, is essentially open - if they like the stallion they will approve it! And the trend in most of the German studbooks recently has been towards the lighter, more modern type. Especially Hannovarian, Westfalian and Oldenburg.

Interestingly, a lot of the best Dutch stallions are essentially Trakheners.......

Gribaldi: I think a good one is BRILLIANT, but he was heavily used and perhaps not always on the best mares, hence a few not so great progeny out there.
 
I was just about to say that, there is a lot of German blood in the Dutch lines, like Voltaire (actually a Hanoverian) and stacks of Trakehner blood.
Dont think about what country a particular stallion was born in, think about your mare as an individual and what type of stallion you want to use, irrespective of stud book
 
always remember to compliment the horse you are breeding from, not necessarily follow trends or the "in" breed.

Would love to understand your definition of hot and cold horses and the influence of german or ducth on this. Sorry to ask but just sounds like an odd comment which i cant personally understand.
 
ETA - I was just going to echo what Halfstep & Volatis have just said! Sir Oldenburg is eligible for Oldenburg, Hannover, Westfalen & Rheinland, Süd Deutschland, Dansk Varmblod, KWPN Studbooks!!
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We have two Weltmeyer mares one with Hanoverian pink papers and one with dutch papers - and she has been granted Keur status too despite technically being Hanoverian!!
 
My friend has 2 Jazz colts, she's on here too somewhere!! The oldest is 3 this year and won the BWBS grading here, then went to Germany and has graded into several studbooks there I believe. Look for posts on Boston!! He's got alot of people talking!!

And I have a 2009 colt by Movistar (Jazz) on the ground who appears to me to be stunning and so far a quick learner, leading and feet picking up by himself at 1 week old!!

So I can only give a thumbs up for jazz and Movistar!!
 
That was the main reason I was thinkin Vivaldi... he would really complement the mare and if things went well, they would produce a lovely foalie
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However, I know things don't always go straight forwards too
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I do want something that if a filly, it could be a good quality foundation mare for me. I cannot afford to buy the type of horse that I could breed from this mare as a 2 / 3 year old, and I have just loved the whole experience of breeding
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I can't believe how much I have enjoyed it to be honest, more than I ever expected!

I would like to use a really good quality stallion if possible because she produces lovely stock herself, so I know it is worth spending a little bit more on a stallion for her.

Everyone has a 'type' of horse that they just adore. The one that summed it up for me was Parzival... I simply adored the whole picture
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That is the 'type' (please don't think I am naive enough to think I could breed one of that quality, that is not what I mean, I am talking the shape etc of the horse) I would look at producing for myself.
 
regarding KWPN breeding, my horse is a very good example of how modern warmblood breeding works. He is a pink papered KWPN, born in Holland to two fully graded KWPN parents.

His sire (who was KWPN licensing champ in 02) is by a Trakhener stallion, and out of a mare by Donnerhall (German!). His dam (KWPN ster mare) is by Holsteiner stallion (Heidelberg), who himself is by a British full TB (Ladykiller). Dam's mother is by another KWPN approved TB (Erdball).

This is pretty typical of the modern KWPN, but the same can be said of various other European open studbooks.
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Ohh yes, Johnson! Lovely, lovely, lovely
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. Jazz x Flemmingh. The latter should add rideability, while complementing the movement and presence.

How is your lovely little boy? Kisses to him!

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I thought you'd asked these questions about Jazz a few months ago? if you are thinking of breeding this year you need to decide soon.
 
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I personally dont like Vivaldi's action - personal opinion tho before anyone shoots me down in flames....

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I absolutely agree- all knee action and no push off behind. Very 'showy' but very incorrect and you can see he loses regularity behind because he cant maintain his balance when his knees are up by his nose. I dont like his canter at all.
 
I'd like to see a video of Vivaldi ridden in a more normal way without the hype. I think he's probably much nicer than he looks in that video if not held up and pushed to be flashy!
 
Johnson is fabulous - I have ridden the most gorgeous gelding by him - stunning looking and moving horse!

ETA - I agree with Halfstep re Vivaldi. I think Vivaldi is gorgeous! BUT my friend who has seen him in real life said he is a VERY modern stamp of horse - and some of the offspring he saw were (in their opinion) too light, they said to me they would only breed from Vivaldi with a very good stamp of a mare.
 
I have seen Vivaldi in the flesh too, he is light of bone (which was mentioned at his stallion approval) and also quite narrow (through the chest), he does have a short, weak, vertical neck so i would use him on a mare with a good neck and one that is not too modern in type. Saying that, his movement, especially trot work is amazing and watching him warm up was a real delight. If you want to use a more proven stallion, than Jazz would be personally my No 1 choice, he is proven over and over again and i have been told by a well respected breeder in holland that if you breed a good Jazz filly hang on to her as she will be woth her weight in gold!
Johnson was much stronger in the hind leg and more muscled when i saw him earlier this year compared to previous outings. The Johnson x TCN partout colt was fantastic this at this years stallion selection, fantastic conformation and carrying power (and was selected for the championship round).
 
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I personally dont like Vivaldi's action - personal opinion tho before anyone shoots me down in flames....

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I absolutely agree- all knee action and no push off behind. Very 'showy' but very incorrect and you can see he loses regularity behind because he cant maintain his balance when his knees are up by his nose. I dont like his canter at all.

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ditto above and was actually shocked at his lack of hock action compared to the front, just looks odd and a little maufactured, which im sure isnt, but wouldnt be for the faint hearted in the training department!!
 
What about United? His babies seem to be doing well and it was a United baby,Bordeaux, that was crowned champion at the KWPN stallion inspection in Den Bosch (also I am biased as I have a united baby)!

Here a video of him-
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Have you thought about "Ampere" (Rousseau x Flemmingh x Amor). He has also just been Approved by Holstein.....and that is no mean feat at all! His semen is 750 euros per dose for frozen and having seen him in the flesh in Holland he is a cracking dressage horse! Think there are not much registries that he is not Approved with now. You can have semen ordered direct from Reesink.

Reesink Horses - Ampere
 
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Well i wouldn't mind a horse who had this canter...
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z36/richyaustin/Foto-GQOAKYOO.jpg
(Personal pic from feb).
Or a stallion that was producing 3 year olds like this.....
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z36/richyaustin/vivaldison.jpg

Or foals like this.....

http://www.sell-veulenveiling.nl/paarden_outp.php?id=151

http://www.starsaleveulenveiling.nl/index.php?taal=uk Star sale foals 2008, number 15 deejay.

Oh and is winning pretty much everything (carl hester gave him 10/10 in ridden test, quote from Carl taken from Eurodressage.com ..... "He's the best 5-year old I've ever ridden. He's so forwards and has a enormous engine which you only have to steer. I think I want to take him home.") oh and has a fantastic foal report which is backed up with 3 foals in the national foal kwpn championship ring, one being claimed the champion??
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Ampere is an absolutely fantastic stallion but I'm sure Jetset wanted a stallion to add foreleg length (unless i am mistaken) which i don't think Ampere would? Although his temperament and pretty much everything else would be perfect, lovely young stallion
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