Jekyll and Hyde.... how best to deal with my 'madam'?

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Really running out of ideas as to what causes my mare to completely flip in the space of a second...
She's five but fairly low mileage since she came off the track due to injuries (hers and then mine). I refuse to use her history as a racer to make excuses for how she is now, and I've treated her like a normal youngster.
She can be completely relaxed and working nicely, and in the next second becomes a rodeo monster. Sometimes she uses a minor spook as an excuse, but quite often theres no reason what-so-ever. This occurs in the school, ridden or on the lunge/longlines, and out hacking alone. Hacking in company she's the boldest, best behaved horse you could ever sit on.

So far i've tried:-
a) riding her on strongly and growling, though generally she broncs even harder until she's tired.
b) ignoring her as best as possible, she does get bored and broncs for less time than usual.
c) Giving her hard smacks with whip, usually leads to me being dumped there and then.

She's had her back, teeth and saddle checked, and was checked over by the vet on tuesday - all fine. She does this unridden too, with or without a roller.
She's fed a handful of chaff and topspec twice a day, adlib hay and is worked at least once a day, sometimes twice. Turned out on limited grass for about 12 hours a day.

I'm starting to get fed up with this, she was like this last march/april and we worked through it and she started going consistently nicely. she was then kicked and was out of work until August when she came back in and hacked about a little. Then was on-off lame so rested, and came back into proper work at Xmas. Going exceptionally well and even hacking out alone at this point, until she reverted to old habits and chucked me in Jan, breaking my collar bone. Since then she broncs at least 2/3 times a session, and there are obviously limits to how many times i want to come off before my collar bone has healed!
Suggestions?
 
Bloody hell girl, no idea! was originally leaning towards spring grass but if it started to reoccur in January then I have no clue. Alternative thought are her seasons regular? could she have sensitive ovarys causing the problem?
 
In Jan she wasn't even turned out, so it can't have been the grass then. She'd happily live in her box 24/7, and wasn't coming out any 'fresher' than she would at any other time, so I don't think it was lack of exercise either.
I wouldn't think it was her ovaries, this has been going on more or less every outing since the middle of Feb which is when i started working her again after my op.
She very bright, do you think she worked out that by getting me off like she did in Jan meant I didn't get back on, therefore no work?
Previously I've always got straight back on (last year she had me off 3 times in about as many minutes
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I've come off her in the last month, and got back on again, but she doesn't seem any less determined.
 
Hmm have me stumped! does she do it in the menage or in an open space? or both, and I know you are probably going to say both which again will have me stumped. Looks like you are going to be investing in full body padding and a parachute!
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Both! She'll do it wherever and whenever she feels like it, even on the roads.
When she was really bad last year it started just after we got back from the northern training weekend (held at the Northern Racing College for everyone else's info!) so I assumed it was the direct result of being around the racing environment again - she exploded as soon as the ramp went down and she spotted the rails!
Lately I've kind of admitted defeat and am mainly working her on the ground or just hacking in company or having someone walk out on foot with us, but even that is dubious.
I'm really starting to appreciate the value of body protectors!
 
I know where you are coming from, we took Ash's gelding up to Doncaster last year as an umpire pony, well needless to say he didn't umpire, couldn't get the little sod to the pitch, he saw the running rails and that was it! A hormonal inbalance does not necessarily work in cycles, a friend of mines SJ'er was an absolute cow and they eventually found out she had sore ovaries and was put on some liquid addative to her feed and it sorted her out, she will be on it for life but she stopped being dangerous to ride.
 
Are you talking a 'moody mare' type thing, or something more heavy duty like Regumate?
Was it a case of trial and error with your friend's mare, or something that can be tested for?
Just want to clarify!
 
It was more down the regumate route, she got it from the vet after some tests, I think she had to get it from the vets or she discussed it with them and they had something made up as what they wanted to put her on would come up on any blood tests when she was competing.
 
Hello Bounty
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I know of another ex-racer who displays remarkably similar behaviour! What seems to have worked with her is really varying (lots) what is done with her - schooling one day (and keeping it short - 20 mins or so, finishing on a good note), hacking in fields and having a burn the next day, jumping the next, lungeing the next, roadwork the next...... etc etc.
The rodeo behaviour has not stopped totally, but seems to have decreased under this regime - just a thought?!
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We've just gone down the regumate route with one of ours. She was exactly the same- fine one minute and rodeoing or rearing the next. I thought she was just being a brat, but since being on the regumate, she's a comletely different pony - an absolute angel. She wasn't SHOWING any 'moody mare' symptoms or abnormal seasons, and the vet said her ovaries felt normal. So she prescibed a 3 week course of regumate to see if it had an effect. Coming to the end of it now, so we'll have to wait and see what happens next....

I couldn't recommend regumate highly enough though.

Good luck with your girl.

Lou. x
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If it is hormonal it might very well follow the pattern you're describing because mares don't cycle the same way year 'round so a problem showing up in spring (even if you think it's too early to really BE spring) sounds suspicious. Things like body temperature (apparently not just surrounding temperature) and light availability are what triggers the mechanism not just time of year.

Also horses whose cycles are screwed up seem much more likely to also have "behavioural symptoms" so if she's not cycling normally that could be exactly a sign of trouble.

It would certainly be interesting to at least try her on Regumate and see what happens. I'd be more inclined to try that than a herbal treatment because you will get definative results and at least know where you stand. But if the initial course does work then you might well be able to get by with something less extreme (and dangerous and expensive).

Good luck.
 
Everything is pretty varied, can't go for a burn yet because her fitness isn't up to that, otherwise I might have tried to gallop it out of her by now!
I never do the same thing two days in a row, and use poles a fair bit (Claire Lilley's 'Schooling with Poles' is currently my bible!). No matter what she does she's always having to think and use herself, having her bored does nothing to help the situation!
Is it River that you're talking about? X
 
MollyMurphy and Cruiser.....
Thanks very much for your advice, will explore the hormonal thing further. I had another mare that was being threatened with Regumate, but her problems were solved by a dramatic increase in work.
Bamboozle, the mare in question, couldn't even trot up for the vet on tuesday without exloding
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so he knows that there really are issues with her behaviour.
 
what do you feed her generally? my mare was a bit like this when she wasnt in heavy work and we tried the oestress which made her worse i changed her feed from mix to lay off cubes by spillers and use top spec to keep condition and she did get better much less unpredictable.
Dont know if that would be any help for her
 
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Yes indeedy!
Met another ex racer that did similar at Abbey on Sunday! Lady came out of the arena after her first test and said she'd never take on another one! You are not alone
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How's the stallion hunt going? Met a nice one last night called Two Tone that I think you would have liked
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I know Teasel would have too!
 
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