Jekyll and Hyde youngster.

nic85

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Hi all, could I possibly pick your brains?

Quick history;

I bought My filly in Feb at 8/9 months old, she is now 14 months old.

She was stabled for a fair while where she came from as they werent allowed turnout due to snow/limited grazing. She was handled enough that she was ok to pick all feet up and be brushed and led out on a lunge line.

When she came to me she started having turnout during the day and coming in at night, was fine to have feet picked out.

She then tried testing me by being a ratbag to lead in from the field and would rear and fart about, this stopped when she was left in the field to come in last :) she then led in beautifully.

She has always been a bit aggressive with food, happened before I got her.

She very quickly tried biting but this was nipped in the bud by not giving any treats at all by hand, she picked up on this very quickly.

She loves attention and i find if you ignore after shes tried nipping/ears back over the stable door she quickly picked up that she didnt get any attention and therefore stops trying to nip. She is quite sensitive to peoples feelings, my OH doesnt trust her as she has bitten him ( hes non horsey but wants to be involved) and she seems to sense this and is more likely to bite/ears back attitude when he is around.

Recently she has also been a cow bag to pick out her hind feet, only recently though she tried lashing out.....she was repremanded and I successfully managed to pick her feet out without the flying hooves.

She has become harder to lead in from the field, its become more of a drag in from the field,
She has been lightly bitted and has been out for a walk and seen a bit of traffic ( she seemed to enjoy this alot as the next day she lead in from the field brilliantly) Im a bit dubious of doing too much with her as she is only a yearling but she seems to really enjoy doing something ( I cant keep taking her for walks as I need to take her with another horse and when my son is either in nursery or when my OH isnt working) I also dont want to over do it with her.

So thats a basic summery of my filly, my question is will she always have a slight agressive streak or is this just her being a baby and seeing what she can get away with?

She has her feet trimmed every 8 weeks and is ok for farrier, was a little naughty last trim but didnt get away with anything :) fab farrier! she is out 24/7 with 2 others and has 1 feed of a handful of pasture mix and Applechaff, she doesnt always come in everyday but still has human contact for fly mask going on/fly spray etc.

Hope this makes sense!
So any ideas/opinons/advice?

Thanks in advance!
 
It sounds quite normal to me! Trying it on, filly's like to keep you on your toes, but it sounds like you have done all the right things, she will grow out of it. If she bites your OH tell him to bite her back either with his mouth (just a nip) on do a twister pinch on her muzzle that will soon stop her, back legs a growl normally works. But it sounds as I say that your pretty much under control, our filly yearling was like that and our foal tried but he had a twister and he has stopped, he just needs the rubber skip treatment if he goes to kick again, between the back legs works a treat.
 
Just sounds like a youngster trying to air her authority. My youngster was exactly the same, I actually had Richard Maxwell at a cost of £400 to come and spend the afternoon with im when he was a yearling as he was so opinionated.

Mine was very bright and clever and easily bored so stimulation was the key with our lad. I don't agree with over handling but the basics of groundwork etc definitely need to be installed which sounds like what you are doing.

We had the terrible ones, two's and three's with our boy who is now strapping 17.1hh 4yo away at school being produced and apparently one of the sweetest horses they have ever had in for producing.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Just keep on top of her :)
 
Sounds very normal to me I'm afraid! My gelding has days when I feel like I'm dragging him too and from the field. I was carrying a schooling whip with me to encourage him to move but just recently he's been completely the oposite so I've ditched it for now! As for the feet thing. yep, mine still tests me - a year and a half on. He knows perfectly well how to have his feet picked out, he just chooses not to sometimes. Youngsters need routine but they also need new things asked of them too so don't be afraid to do things in a not so normal way... pick feet out in a different order, stretch them forwards occasionally (like the farrier does) etc etc. If you can't walk her out all the time do things with her in the school. introduce her to poles, cones and other obstacles. Just to get that brain ticking.
 
Thank god for that!!!

Thank you for the replies, very reasuring!

Today she was amazing, I took one of the horses she lives with for a hack and when we got back after washing him off etc turned him back out and brought her in and she was brilliant. I groomed her, shes a bit itchy at the mo, and went to pick her feet out and she was fab, even picking the next foot up and holding it there!


Now I tried using the schooling whip to encourage her forward when leading but it doesnt work, it makes her rear and piss off backwards....typical mare. She used to trot in hand because I saw her trotting when I went to view her, but shes either forgotten how or just cant be bothered. I would like to take her to some shows next year but she needs to remember how to trot...any tips? Apart from whips as they dont work :)

Thanks again!!
 
With my lad I used to be quite positive in my body language and encourage the trot by asking him to walk on a bit in the walk, then use my voice command to say trot on to him.

I did carry a stick though, just for a gentle tap to reinforce if we needed it. Often didn't need to use it, just by moving it towards him was enough for him to respond.

You could always have somone initially behind you ( not right obviously :) ) to encourage her forward. Generally they cannot rear if moving forward so put your hat on and be assertive and go for it.

Keep us posted :)
 
You could always have somone initially behind you ( not right obviously :) ) to encourage her forward. Generally they cannot rear if moving forward so put your hat on and be assertive and go for it.

Keep us posted :)


Thanks! Yes Ive got someone to help with rear end encouragement ;)

will keep you posted.

:)
 
Sounds familier!. My just turned 3yr old has been through many phases. Ive had her from birth, so it's been quite a responsibility bringing her up and teaching her the ropes.

As soon as you nip one phase in the bud....out comes another from under their sleeve!!.

They are not being vicious, just seeing what they can and cant do in life and will take reassurance in being given direction from us, as long as they understand it, that is!

My youngster will get quite uptight and highly strung if i ask her to do something that she dosent understand, so I very often have to approach training from another angle until she finally susses out what is required, it can take a while though.

Last year was the 'year of planting the feet' it has taken months to get her leading correctly, but at least you have time with youngsters at this stage in their life to iron out these teething issues.

Her latest phase is holding her head up as high as possible to avoid having her nostrils wiped with a sponge. At least she's got over the 'swinging her front legs backwards and forwards like a pendulum' stage when im trying to pick out her foot! They make us laugh at least!!!

Good luck with the little one.
 
Sounds familier!. My just turned 3yr old has been through many phases. Ive had her from birth, so it's been quite a responsibility bringing her up and teaching her the ropes.

As soon as you nip one phase in the bud....out comes another from under their sleeve!!.

They are not being vicious, just seeing what they can and cant do in life and will take reassurance in being given direction from us, as long as they understand it, that is!

My youngster will get quite uptight and highly strung if i ask her to do something that she dosent understand, so I very often have to approach training from another angle until she finally susses out what is required, it can take a while though.

Last year was the 'year of planting the feet' it has taken months to get her leading correctly, but at least you have time with youngsters at this stage in their life to iron out these teething issues.

Her latest phase is holding her head up as high as possible to avoid having her nostrils wiped with a sponge. At least she's got over the 'swinging her front legs backwards and forwards like a pendulum' stage when im trying to pick out her foot! They make us laugh at least!!!

Good luck with the little one.

Thank you, Im getting the feeling that Im not alone now :) Im sure she wil do some interesting things to keep me on my toes too....
Thanks for the good luck...but she isnt very little, shes already standing approx 15hh + :O
 
:D:DSounds entirely normal!!:D:D

They just need to test their boundaries and it does sound like you are doing the right thing! Just watch out cos when you think 'I,ve cracked it' they think of something else...

My 2 year old who stands over 16.1hh suddenly decided today that she didn't want to walk to the field and took off at a gallop with me, she has never done it before and the routine was perfectly normal...luckily I always lead youngsters with a long line (although I lead them close to me on a short section) and I managed to swing her around so she didn't get away and she calmed down after a 30 second broncing fit (OH said it looked spectacular)..I think maybe she is ready to do a bit of something to keep her brain occupied :D

It's why we love them though...Never a dull day :p:p
 
Dont worry my 2yro is having behaviour issues at the moment. He is great to take to the field, do his stable, but he stood up to me this morning when i went to get his feed bucket out of his box, bless him he had the bucket on his head then his water bucket over him, dont think he will try it again t time!!!
 
Dont worry my 2yro is having behaviour issues at the moment. He is great to take to the field, do his stable, but he stood up to me this morning when i went to get his feed bucket out of his box, bless him he had the bucket on his head then his water bucket over him, dont think he will try it again t time!!!

I know I shouldn't laugh, but that was amusing! ;) :p I bet he was shocked lol! :D

My two year old Rox has his moments too. As a yearling he was a really laid back little man, very willing and took everything in his stride. Now he is two, he has found his feet and likes to test me here and there. Luckily for me, being a gelding, he is fairly submissive, and he really doesn't like being told off, he sulks! Quite cute really!

We are going through the rearing stage whilst being led. He's 'trying' to find things to spook at and pretending he is scared, and up he goes! Little sod!

He was quite lazy with his trot inhand, and so my friend clapped from behind to encourage him, and as we set off I said trot, and so now he is responsive to vocal command. Also, sometimes whilst I ride Sammi my 17 year old, I lead Rox. We do walk to stand, and walk to trot, back to walk and to stand again. Only for a few minutes mind, any more and I think he would get bored and act up. xx :D
 
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