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Sadly my horse is being PTS due to severe DJD.
Obviously heartbroken.
But, I have still got a tub of Joint supplement unused and a friend has offered to buy it off me. (my horse isn't even dead yet! some friend)

I will be buying a new horse and never want this to happen again so my question is.

Do any of you feed a joint supplement as a preventative rather than when the horse shows signs of joint problems?
 
I've just put my horse on one now as he's been diagnosed with ringbone. I've only had him a short while and as he's only 10 I didn't have him on one. I used to give it to my other horse when he turned 12 and would have done the same with my new horse. I hope it will help my horse now but I'm a little sceptical. Sorry about your horse too x
 
Preventative is better than cure!!!! Although if you are buying a fit healthy horse then it could be a waste of money. To be honest I have fed joint supplements and they have made no difference whatsoever.:confused:
 
Its synequine
It made some difference to my boy for a while. I think its just my worst fear for this to happen again - the new horse has done a lot of jumping in the past and will continue to do so with me. He is 8.
 
I feed a little bit of glucosamine [1/3rd of full dose] to my youngster when he is stabled purely as a preventative, he has not got perfect hind leg conformation, and I want him to last for as long as possible.
Crikey
Synequine
£152.94 for one kg!
50 to 100 days!!!!!
 
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gable said:
Do any of you feed a joint supplement as a preventative rather than when the horse shows signs of joint problems?
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1st so sorry to hear about your lovely horse:(


i started diamond on flexi joint straight away when signs showed arthritis. why dont u just keep it and use on new one cant hurt
 
PC Steele said:
To be honest I have fed joint supplements and they have made no difference whatsoever.:confused:
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depends on problem diamond without is stiff and such

with flexi joint she is like a 6 year old the difference is £ 100%

moss cant get up properly stiff joints with flexi joints she gets up like any other horse
 
marydoll said:
As far as ive been led to believe cosequin is the only one that has had proper clinical trials done that have shown benificial effects
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well the truth is in the seeing i seen all ; 8 horses have a complete change around with flexi joint

i wouldnt use anything else


Equimins Flexijoint Cartilage Supplement

| Equimins Flexijoint Cartilage Supplement
A powerful supplement to support healthy cartilage, strong joint structure and the quality of sinovial fluid.

Containing a superb specification of Shark Cartilage, Chondroitin Sulphate, Glucasamine, MSM and Ascorbic acid.

600g will last up to 60 days.


Analysis Quantity per 20g per 10g
Chondroitin Sulphate 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
Glucosamine HCL 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
MSM 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 50,000 mg/kg 1000 mg 500 mg
Saccharomyces Cerivisae Yeast 10,000 mg/kg 200 mg 100 mg
Organic Minerals:
Zinc 6 mg 3 mg
Copper 4 mg 2 mg
Manganese 4 mg 2 mg
Cobalt 0.5 mg 0.25 mg
 
So sorry about your current horse, sounds as though you have done everything you could to help him - I can imagine how you feel :(

Re the Synequin, it certainly wouldnt do any harm to a new horse, but it is one of those products that the longer they are on it, the longer they don't show any problems and a lot of people wonder why they are bothering when the horse remains sound!! Of course science tells us that the joints are being supported all through this time - so feeding it before you see lameness should be of benefit but will be a little trickly for you to quantify all the time it is doing its job and your horse remains sound.

Re the cost of Synequin - all I can say is beware of cheaper immitations.
Synequin has:
Proven ingredients (with own trial data)
Highest quality ingredients
Guarranteed label claim

Some other supplements have some of the above list but not all - and thats when you really are tipping your money down the drain on products that are slightly cheaper but not as effective! :D

I wish you every luck with your next horse and also that you dont have to go through the same heartbreak.
 
diamond_light said:
well the truth is in the seeing i seen all ; 8 horses have a complete change around with flexi joint

i wouldnt use anything else


Equimins Flexijoint Cartilage Supplement

| Equimins Flexijoint Cartilage Supplement
A powerful supplement to support healthy cartilage, strong joint structure and the quality of sinovial fluid.

Containing a superb specification of Shark Cartilage, Chondroitin Sulphate, Glucasamine, MSM and Ascorbic acid.

600g will last up to 60 days.


Analysis Quantity per 20g per 10g
Chondroitin Sulphate 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
Glucosamine HCL 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
MSM 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 50,000 mg/kg 1000 mg 500 mg
Saccharomyces Cerivisae Yeast 10,000 mg/kg 200 mg 100 mg
Organic Minerals:
Zinc 6 mg 3 mg
Copper 4 mg 2 mg
Manganese 4 mg 2 mg
Cobalt 0.5 mg 0.25 mg
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Interesting breakdown - but I think in this day and age I would be unhappy about the shark cartilage part. All the rage back in the day, but I am much happier using a product which draws its chondroitin from a mammalian source - and has a lower lever of disulphation, which has been proven to increase uptake. Also, the type of chondroitin (4 or 6) found in mammalian sources (as opposed to 2 or 3) found in marine sources - is proven to be in greater demand by the growing or damaged joint. Scientists don't know why this is... yet - but it does seem to be the case!
 
Mugsgame...do you think Cortaflex works? My vet actually recommended it, well he said Cosequin, Synequin or Cortaflex and I of course went for the cheapest to try first. My horse has mild arthritic changes so its not preventative, it needs to actually offer some support. PM if you prefer.
 
diamond_light said:
well the truth is in the seeing i seen all ; 8 horses have a complete change around with flexi joint

i wouldnt use anything else


Equimins Flexijoint Cartilage Supplement

| Equimins Flexijoint Cartilage Supplement
A powerful supplement to support healthy cartilage, strong joint structure and the quality of sinovial fluid.

Containing a superb specification of Shark Cartilage, Chondroitin Sulphate, Glucasamine, MSM and Ascorbic acid
600g will last up to 60 days.
Analysis Quantity per 20g per 10g
Chondroitin Sulphate 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
Glucosamine HCL 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
MSM 200,000 mg/kg 4000 mg 2000 mg
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 50,000 mg/kg 1000 mg 500 mg
Saccharomyces Cerivisae Yeast 10,000 mg/kg 200 mg 100 mg
Organic Minerals:
Zinc 6 mg 3 mg
Copper 4 mg 2 mg
Manganese 4 mg 2 m
Cobalt 0.5 mg 0.25 mg
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Thats good to know but wouldnt be classed as a clinical trial.
Sometimes anecdotal success is enough, especially as you say, if youve seen the good results yourself
 
Hello, I also have a horse who has had to retire due to severe DJD, over the years we have tried everything and to be honest I have lost all confidence in joint supplements. In my opinion the best thing that we can do is look after their legs and joints by not galloping around on hard ground etc and feeding a nutritional diet. That way they should be getting everything they need anyway. Really sorry to hear about your horse.
 
An interesting post. Very sorry to hear about your horse, I can sympathise :(

It seems there's no hard evidence either way as to whether joint supplements work as a preventative treatment. I totally understand where you are coming from though, I have lost 2 horses to arthritis, with a third oldie currently on supplements for hers. I've just bought a weanling who arrives in October, and like you am wondering whether to start him on supplements as he grows. At the moment I'm thinking I'll just go for a forage-based diet, perhaps with a balancer and keeping sugars low, and not pushing him too hard too soon. But it's tricky when they're older and have already worked.

One thing I would second was the comment on shark cartilage. PLEASE don't buy anything that contains it. Regardless of the hype. You only need google shark finning to appreciate what a disgrace the shark product trade is. As a diver I see sharks quite rarely now, and this is in places where 10 years ago they were abundant. Please.... no shark products :(
 
cortiflex is expensive £ 50 every 4 weeks i know i tried before switching to flexi joint
flexi joint for the same quantity is £ 30 something and last long because u give smaller measure .

all i know is diamonds better off less stiff and happier on it compared to cortiflex,
as for shark cartilage i think for any questions regarding is use you need to contact them .
Diamond is 110% better on it . The proof is in the pudding your choice at the end of the day I can only say my experience pound for pound flexi last long is cheaper and has a remarkable effect and they give you a FULL money back guarantee you cant say fairer the others dont offer that than that they make all their own supplements from raw ingredients so know exactly what goes in them

At the end of the day its the result that matters

2 of my horses have done a 360 with it and 3 of my liveries have done the same .

and friends horse was told he couldn't jump again and would need to be on bute full time because of arthritis . She tried him on it and has weaned him off bute . This summer he has been back out competing again won last week in the open jumping. Vet cant believed it .

Sorry I am not wiling to take any of my horses off flexi joint .

Sad as it is , there is allot of cruelty out there . Horses used for urine. cows for veal, dolphins caught in nets , wales caught polar bears clubbed to death, sea horses caught in nets its happening everywhere .
If its a choice between a shark and my horse living for longer and happier the shark looses.

We have a 29 year old here told he wouldnt make it to 26 as he was stiff and couldnt walk and has navicular . well 29 now still schooled and hacked out he is a changed horse.

I wouldnt normally buy animal based ingredients dont agree with it but this is an exception as i have seen the difference its made in 8 horses who were on different joint things before. you buy what you want . :)
 
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found this

# All manufacturers of shark-based dietary supplements seem to claim their materials are byproducts. I.e., they claim the sharks are killed for meat and no added sharks are killed for cartilage or shark oil.

Finning is a well known atrocity, responsible for 25% to 75% of shark fishing. The fins are removed for "shark fin soup" and the remainder is discarded.


so shark cartilage is a by product as other products in make up and soaps sharks arnt killed for cartilage it doesnt make it any better but its recycling in a manner of speaking
 
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