Jumping our Yearling!

AndySpooner said:
What you say is true, but, having read what Assaun has said and done, I really don't think that it justifies the fuss thats been made, about this individual.

As far as horses being buggered up, people are more than capable of buggering up 4 and 5 yr olds, who know nothing but are bitted and schooled in circles with some idiot trying to ride 'on the bit' as I saw with my own eyes only last week.
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Hmmmm in one way I agree, people do get so hung up about 'being on the bit', but would mention that the growth plates on most 4/5 year olds have closed, in a yearling they are very much open and, as such you can do far more damage to a yearling, damage which does not always show up immediately.

The wasteage amongst german/dutch youngsters who have been worked too soon is massive - FACT.

OP, I would not personally choose to jump a yearling over the heights you mentioned, but your yearling, your choice, you are the one who will have to deal with any issues in the future, no one else.
 
Yup this is why I stick to Competition Riders..... Won't stumble through this one again any time soon- pretty bitchy to be fair!
 
AndySpooner said:
Amaranta I don't think the OP chose to jump the horse, just let it as a one off.
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I would agree but then she kept raising the pole, that is NOT a one off, a one off would have been to be satisfied with the first jump and then left it alone.
 
Amaranta said:
Hmmmm in one way I agree, people do get so hung up about 'being on the bit', but would mention that the growth plates on most 4/5 year olds have closed, in a yearling they are very much open and, as such you can do far more damage to a yearling, damage which does not always show up immediately.

The wasteage amongst german/dutch youngsters who have been worked too soon is massive - FACT.

OP, I would not personally choose to jump a yearling over the heights you mentioned, but your yearling, your choice, you are the one who will have to deal with any issues in the future, no one else.
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Couldn't agree more about the wasteage of European horses, but I don't think we are talking about the same thing really, far more issues involved in that.
 
AndySpooner said:
As far as horses being buggered up, people are more than capable of buggering up 4 and 5 yr olds, who know nothing but are bitted and schooled in circles with some idiot trying to ride 'on the bit' as I saw with my own eyes only last week.
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Completely agree.

If only they could talk hey!
 
AndySpooner said:
Couldn't agree more about the wasteage of European horses, but I don't think we are talking about the same thing really, far more issues involved in that.
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IMO opinion the European influence over how GB treats their homebred horses has had a big negative effect.

There is the attitude of "well they are doing it so so should we". As the other poster has mentioned there are huge amounts of very talented horses bred in Europe each year and only a small percentage reach their potential, down completely IMO, to how they are "produced" as youngsters.
 
Munchkin said:
At auction? No.

Beforehand? Yes - I have seen them slide into the bottom of fences and then throw themselves over... some of them are just not that forward thinking. The lanes help, obviously. And many of them are jumping far bigger than 3'.
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But these people are not concerned with the bigger picture all they are concerned with is obtaining a good price at auction, longitivity does not matter as the youngsters will be sold!

The op I suspect has her youngster as a keeper and therefore it would be prudent for her not to encourage it to jump from a standstill let alone raising the poles it was jumping!

And two wrongs do not make a right.
 
lannerch said:
But these people are not concerned with the bigger picture all they are concerned with is obtaining a good price at auction, longitivity does not matter as the youngsters will be sold!

I think that is a very sweeping statement and an unfair one at that.
Not all people out there are complete b*****ds you know.
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lannerch said:
But these people are not concerned with the bigger picture all they are concerned with is obtaining a good price at auction, longitivity does not matter as the youngsters will be sold!

The op I suspect has her youngster as a keeper and therefore it would be prudent for her not to encourage it to jump from a standstill let alone raising the poles it was jumping!

And two wrongs do not make a right.
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Of course not. My point was that doing it ONCE is not likely to have the sort of detrimental effect that some of you are trying to make out. If he'd posted that he was jumping his yearling weekly then my opinion would be somewhat different.

I just think some people on here like to start witch hunts which provide opportunities to express how knowledgable they think they are. As Jim Rohn said, "The more you know, the less you need to say."
 
jokadoka said:
lannerch said:
But these people are not concerned with the bigger picture all they are concerned with is obtaining a good price at auction, longitivity does not matter as the youngsters will be sold!

I think that is a very sweeping statement and an unfair one at that.
Not all people out there are complete b*****ds you know.
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Agreed and not once did I say that but those ones are not jumping their yearlings that slide into the bottom of the fence, if they are at all then they are starting with a pole on the ground and getting them going forward over that before they encourage it to jump!

And many studs will not do it at all, I bought my chap from louella as a 3yo had never been tried over poles when I bought him, and quite frankly when I tried him he was very scopy so to do so would have helped sell him. I have also never seen millfield stud ever post pictures of a yearling jumping, older yes but never that young ( and they have seriously scopy youngsters ).

munchkin I do see you point for what its worth I agree with you a one off is probably no harm done it was however a trifle sillly a thing to do as it was a risk!
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lannerch said:
And many studs will not do it at all, I bought my chap from louella as a 3yo had never been tried over poles when I bought him, and quite frankly when I tried him he was very scopy so to do so would have helped sell him.
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Quite, Louella is a reputable stud and knowledgeably professional,experienced in producing quality youngsters.

Playing party tricks with yearlings is cringeworthy. Leave the babies to play acrobatics in the fields with their mates while they grow strong, healthy bone and muscle along with sane minds.

There's no rush.
 
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