Just 20 Cleveland Bay Foals this year

I have never ever heard that Spring Pascall is notoriously difficult.

We went to watch them when they competed in Saumur last year and met the family - no mention was made of any difficulties.

In fact the nearest he came to 'exploding' was when the crowd watching dressage in the adjoining arena suddenly burst into very noisy applause and shouting. He was in the middle of his test and startled by the shouting, but came back on command and settled immediately
 
They have a blog on horsehero - here are some excerpts.

I was really impressed with him in the arena free-time as although he threatened to spin at the car when I first went in, by the end of it I was able to half pass towards it in both directions at trot and canter. This shows there is hope, I might one day be able to go into an arena and not worry about an atmosphere, although I’m sure he will always be a hot horse!

Pascal has never been fond of the indoor arenas at Addington and every time the commentator said something it made it worse. When he gets hot like this, it feels like you’re sitting on a bomb. He throws his legs around and could dart in any direction.
 
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That temperament would come from the sire Pascal, not the Cleveland side. Pascal was apparently a complete nightmare & has passed that on to many of his progeny! Although phenomanly talented.

The Clevelands I've known have been very average all rounders but tough with good temperaments
 
Maybe a bit of rebranding could be a good idea. Rather than suggesting the CB is not going to excel in anything, maybe focus on the fact that they are a breed well suited for a more amateur rider as they are more forgiving and able to turn their hooves to a wider variety of disciplines? I know nothing about this breed but had always been told they were more suited as a driving horse and were stubborn...interesting to see how myths are perpetrated!
 
Luci07 said:
Maybe a bit of rebranding could be a good idea. Rather than suggesting the CB is not going to excel in anything, maybe focus on the fact that they are a breed well suited for a more amateur rider as they are more forgiving and able to turn their hooves to a wider variety of disciplines? I know nothing about this breed but had always been told they were more suited as a driving horse and were stubborn...interesting to see how myths are perpetrated!
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I agree with you. As a small breed society I don't think we are very good at marketing the breed.

We spent Christmas Eve and night with the most beautiful pure bred mare you could hope to own. She was pts yesterday morning at the vet hospital under anaesthetic.

I am always very upset when the myth of the stubborn CB persists. The vet who operated could not believe that this mare could have suffered the way she did without ever showing symptoms of what was going on inside.

As well as being the sort of riding horse I would trust with the most novice rider she was a Champion Show Hunter and Riding Club Horse, what more could you ask for?
 
Rollin said:
I agree with you. As a small breed society I don't think we are very good at marketing the breed.

We spent Christmas Eve and night with the most beautiful pure bred mare you could hope to own. She was pts yesterday morning at the vet hospital under anaesthetic.

I am always very upset when the myth of the stubborn CB persists. The vet who operated could not believe that this mare could have suffered the way she did without ever showing symptoms of what was going on inside.

As well as being the sort of riding horse I would trust with the most novice rider she was a Champion Show Hunter and Riding Club Horse, what more could you ask for?
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Rollin, I'm so sorry to hear you had to go through that... One of yours?

I have to agree with your comment about the breed society needing to do more to market the breed.

I also have to say that the breed are increadibly missunderstood. They are very intelligent, big thinkers with an increadible sense of humour... They tend to know what they do and don't like doing and be quite opinionated as to how they like to do things.. they are the sort of animal that do have to be 'mastered' at a young age but never do anything out of malice.... they do things simply because they can - if they are allowed to get away with it... but they are fast learners too and not stupid when it comes to realising it is far easier to do as they are told... :) My boy has come on increadibly over the last month and a half and I now have high hopes for his future... I really can't wait to get him out and about :)
 
I bought a foal many years ago, at my local horse sales, she was Cleveland Bay x PBA. I kept her for 2 yrs, she had a lovely temperament; quiet and laid-back, never put a foot wrong. She turned out to be a cracking pony, 14.2hh, was on international event teams, she was named Baydale Velvet by Baydale Juryman. I see on BE she was still competing last year, aged 21 or 22!
Oh, and I also was warned about stubborn CB, but as someone else said, maybe its to do with nurture not nature!
 
Fairy Gold said:
I bought a foal many years ago, at my local horse sales, she was Cleveland Bay x PBA. I kept her for 2 yrs, she had a lovely temperament; quiet and laid-back, never put a foot wrong. She turned out to be a cracking pony, 14.2hh, was on international event teams, she was named Baydale Velvet by Baydale Juryman. I see on BE she was still competing last year, aged 21 or 22!
Oh, and I also was warned about stubborn CB, but as someone else said, maybe its to do with nurture not nature!
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I know your pony. I keep Press Clippings about Cleveland Bays and she was in an article from H&H. Baydale Venus was Champion Hack at HOYS 2/3 years ago? A four year old part-bred with perfect manners.
 
Rollin, mine was called Velvet, not Venus. Velvet was also in H+H, maybe 7 or 8 yrs ago. She had a pic and little write-up after winning a Trailblazers SJ final, in-between her eventing exploits.
 
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Rollin, mine was called Velvet, not Venus. Velvet was also in H+H, maybe 7 or 8 yrs ago. She had a pic and little write-up after winning a Trailblazers SJ final, in-between her eventing exploits.
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Yes I understood that. I have a press release about Velvet by Baydale Juryman. Baydale Venus was a Champion Show Hack.

Baydale, Sheila Fenwick, now deceased bred some superb horses. My own pure bred stallion is out of Baydale Tempest.

I had never owned a stallion before and bought him because I heard about his quiet temperament. He is the most gentle of giants. Currently turned out with just two strands of electric tape between him and his favourite mare. A pleasure to have on the yard.
 
CBFan said:
Rollin, I'm so sorry to hear you had to go through that... One of yours?

I have to agree with your comment about the breed society needing to do more to market the breed.

I also have to say that the breed are increadibly missunderstood. They are very intelligent, big thinkers with an increadible sense of humour... They tend to know what they do and don't like doing and be quite opinionated as to how they like to do things.. they are the sort of animal that do have to be 'mastered' at a young age but never do anything out of malice.... they do things simply because they can - if they are allowed to get away with it... but they are fast learners too and not stupid when it comes to realising it is far easier to do as they are told... :) My boy has come on increadibly over the last month and a half and I now have high hopes for his future... I really can't wait to get him out and about :)
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I am so pleased you are getting on well with your boy. I don't disagree with anything you say. I never cease to be amazed at how powerful a young CB can be. I think they can be a daunting prospect for owners who don't have experience with young horses.

Monty Roberts says you need to set the boundaries. I have found that they are quick and intelligent to learn new things, then they never forget.

As you can all see I have Arabians too, which are a totally different ride. If you want a horse for recreational riding, endurance and riding club the comfort, power behind the saddle and 'safe' feeling you get from riding a Cleveland are a real pleasure.

Our own loss has been traumatic. Our first pure bred mare. Purchased for my husband who took up riding for the first time in his 50's. Stunningly pretty, safe, sound and good tempered. He felt totally confident when riding her.

Late on Christmas Eve we found her in the stable with colic. Our local vet was here within 10 mins and stayed till after midnight. We took her to the nearest hospital on Christmas morning, where they found she had a lipoma which had strangled her small intestine. No symptoms at all before Christmas Eve. She was pts under anesthetic and has left a huge hole in our hearts.

Thank god we have a filly from her and I have semen from her sire, at West Kington, which will be used for another filly.
 
So sorry for your loss Rollin. So tragic :( She sounds like a lovely mare and a pleasure to be around.

Bringing on a young Clevie certainly isn't an exerience I will forget in a hurry but it has provided many a giggle for myself, my instructor and spectators alike... ;) and I wouldn't say no to doing it all again... hopefully next time I will be better prepared ;)
 
I thought i would chip in, my personal experience of cleveland bays is they are honest and brave,loyal friends that want to please, not stubborn. In this day and age nobody has patience and want instant results, cleveland bays are slow maturing so perhaps the mistake some make is asking to big a question of a very imature cleveland and they dont understand what it is you want, this is when they would probably be unfairly labeled as stubborn.

The fact that they are bay, i was always told a good horse has no colour, meaning the colour should not count as long as he can do his job
bay without much white is boring but as i was told by a judge years ago they have to be that much better in other ways to catch my eye [i was pulled in first] his movement was in the judges opinion good enough for dressage. i also have a part-bred with an action to die for so i feel clevelands can do dressage along side any breed, it just comes down to the fact that they are counted in the hundreds and other breeds are counted in thousands so they are at a disadvantage when finding a grand prix horse which is a rare animal
and another not so well known fact is alot of these warmbloods used cleveland bay blood to improve their breed, and not to many generations back either,i spoke to a WB owner before christmas and the cleveland bay was in her horse only 4 generations back

When my present cleveland was broken the people who broke him for me had never had a cleveland bay in to break after he had been there for about 8 weeks they asked if they could event him, they found him easy to break and that he loved jumping
i also got told he would do dressage, perhaps not grand prix but as i have said only a small few make it to the top of any sport, so its not that cleveland bays are only suitable as alrounders its just most cleveland bay owners are amateurs , i would love to see what a professional could do with a CB

Finally,we had problems with the CBHS over registation we bought our part-bred when she was 16, she was registered as a foal but when passports came in her then owner decided to get a passport with a different organisation and some of her imformation was missing on that passport which caused the problems when we bought her and wanted to show her in cleveland classes, luckily for us her previous owner had kept some docs as momentos and we finally got it sorted
The problem with registering with the CBHS is they stick to the rules if that is a problem
it may be that the stallion used was not licenced in which case offspring are not eligble or the owner in question cant prove the breeding, perhaps no covering certificate
you cant expect them to let a horse in to the stud book because its bay and you say its CB i cant see them being awkward for the sake of it, its a very small society so new faces are always made to feel welcome, i was
all i can say is keep digging and maybe find what they need to process the registration
 
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