cauda equina
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Especially as how the police treat women is currently a pretty hot topic
Just been berated by police officer for friend shaking head!
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Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
And that is exactly how appalling behaviour snowballs when it’s left unchallenged.
Barton Bounty
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Yip! Report it, no way on earth should he have stopped his call to his urgent job!
what a knob , hope your both ok ?
what a knob , hope your both ok ?
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
As long as the complaint was made in a reasonable fashion, I very much doubt that this would happen. Police deal with people who do simply awful things and then still turn up to help when they are in trouble.
I am glad to be out of it.
Go too slow, you are berated for being too long getting there, or public or colleagues are injured, or people get away.
Don't put lights and sirens on when going faster, you are berated for not warning people of your approach.
Put lights and sirens on, you are berated as people don't like it.
I fully agree that dangerous driving needs dealing with but it seems you thought they were actually safe so it would seem churlish for you to complain about that.
The rudeness I would complain about. It sounds unprofessional. It sounds aggressive. It was certainly unnecessary and inappropriately done.
Fred66
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Considering he decided to not attend the job that was urgent to reprimand someone regarding a perceived criticism of his driving then certainly OP friend following this up would not be inappropriate.
However OP didn’t actually consider his driving was a problem so I would also hazard a guess that friend was being a little bit pernickety
However OP didn’t actually consider his driving was a problem so I would also hazard a guess that friend was being a little bit pernickety
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
Yes but it was the ex police/advanced driver who thought they were not driving safely, and even if they slowed down enough to pass those particular horses, they were still faster than the recommended 10mph max, and others horses might not have been so steady. So for me there’s two issues here, the driving (once they’d seen the horses, since they don’t appear to have taken notice of the warning from the other driver), and the police officer’s subsequent behaviour.
Goldenstar
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Your friend must make a formal complaint.
Misogyny and misuse for the siren as I refuse to believe he stopped on a urgent job to rant a two woman riding horses .
Once upon a time I would have written that of as a bit of prat having a bad day but not now .
She’s ex police she invested in this she should complain .
Misogyny and misuse for the siren as I refuse to believe he stopped on a urgent job to rant a two woman riding horses .
Once upon a time I would have written that of as a bit of prat having a bad day but not now .
She’s ex police she invested in this she should complain .
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Roasted Chestnuts
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I Would report him as his conduct wasnt professional. If it was that urgent a call he wouldn’t have stopped at someone shaking their head.
Sounds like a typical power trip wanker to me. Unfortunately the police force is full of them, as much as I respect the police as an institution it is unfortunately these types that give the force a bad rep. I have some lovely friends in the police force and even they hate these types as they just cause bother for the fun of it.
Sounds like a typical power trip wanker to me. Unfortunately the police force is full of them, as much as I respect the police as an institution it is unfortunately these types that give the force a bad rep. I have some lovely friends in the police force and even they hate these types as they just cause bother for the fun of it.
DirectorFury
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They should be able to track down the car and drivers if you can detail the road you were on (coordinates via google maps would be even better) and at what time -- police cars should have GPS trackers in them. I made a complaint about one using lights and sirens to turn right at a "no right turn" junction, nearly wiping out a motorbike (accident blackspot), who then immediately turned into the bloody McDonalds at the next corner. They took details about the time and location and said they'd identified the driver.
You need to get the complaint in sooner rather than later to stop the camera data from being "mysteriously" lost.
You need to get the complaint in sooner rather than later to stop the camera data from being "mysteriously" lost.
fetlock
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exactly. Report it and he’ll probably get the sack.
Roasted Chestnuts
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Probably won’t. I was physically assaulted by a police officer for nothing except trying to leave a very upsetting and PTSD triggering situation and he got off as his mates backed him up. They did move him however and split him and his mates up.
cauda equina
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Seems a bit harsh! But perhaps some training is called for
Christmascinnamoncookie
Fais pas chier!
It’s unlikely he’ll be sacked, recruitment is dire currently, but he’ll be investigated if a complaint is made.
Ask for his body cam footage, it should have been on. He’ll be found easily enough if you give an accurate time.
Ask for his body cam footage, it should have been on. He’ll be found easily enough if you give an accurate time.
ElleSkywalkingintheair
As excited as Kitty about to be a bridesmaid
Don't think he had it on as didn't see the tell tale red light. ?
Speaking to different friend who soon to be ex was an officer in this for e and area, she says our particular force doesn't have cameras on response cars, but do have Artemis tracking so it will show the speeds he was doing and that he stopped for 2-3 mins after turning his siren off and coming to a halt before driving off again, that can't be deleted or changed so fairly confident if I leave my buddy to make up her mind if she wants to complain I will be fine to wait until her decision is made. As an ex officer she is struggling with the thought of dobbing another officer in.
As said above, the driving was not what am cross about, as far as I am concerned and know as a member of public he acted appropriately when he saw us, albeit might have been different if I'd been on a horse that wasn't as calm and steady as mine and if I hadn't moved into a position he would see me asap. My friend is very concerned about his driving from a fellow officer point of view. If I do complain I will be honest about his speed before and how long I could hear the siren (all through the village as out the other side for a good half mile or so) but that when seeing us he acted appropriately. That is for the complaints people to decide to investigate. What I am cross and upset about I'd that he found it necessary to berate us for no reason other than to intimidate and upset. He was not explaining why he was driving fast just repeating 'you don't know where I'm going, I'm going to an urgent job, you don't know anything about what I'm doing' so not educational or anything but deliberately aggressive and with no actual point ??
and also that on the way to this urgent job he found it necessary to stop and rant.Thanks all, I am definitely going to report if friend doesn't. He need some education and advice, not sacking or boll*&king and possibly some sort of anger management
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
A friend had a similar complaint. They were doing their best to get to a situation that was violent. The situation was contained, they were cancelled by radio. They had not eaten, they went for food soon after cancelling lights etc. The good thing is, the complaint was made, investigated and found that they had done no ill. They went to Morrisons, other supermarkets and food vendors are also available.
It was sad that people thought they were using blues and twos to go to Morrisons (northern based supermarket like Tesco). But the investigation showed they had done no ill. They were not THAT desperate for their hot wings and salad tray.
I have said throughout to complain about the rudeness and anything else people see that may have been wrong. However, if I were on my way to something like a baby who was not breathing, man stabbing woman in a domestic etc, I would not pass a horse at 10mph either. I would slow, assess and pass. That said, if someone complained, I would feel confident that I would not be in trouble. I would be confident that I had done the right thing. If someone else got there first and was dealing, I may be cancelled and no longer be on the way to that job.
I would complain because of the rudeness, but there may be reasons for the speed followed by the inaction. The investigation will bring that to light, so I would complain. If the driver is a flogger, that need bringing to light. The rudeness and aggression to a bystander is inexcusable, although adrenaline does weird things to some people, it is still inexcusable.
Hopelessly horsey
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Not had a chance to read all of the replies but this definitely needs highlighting to the forces Professional standards team!
Landcruiser
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When you see the abuse some police take on a city centre saturday night (judging from the bits of reality TV footage I've seen), getting arsey at someone shaking their head for fairly obvious reasons suggests a fragile ego unsuited to police work. Definitely report it, it sounds entirely unacceptable behaviour.
wills_91
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I would report him and I wouldn't think twice about doing it. You have stated that you felt intimidated by him and this is not acceptable. Your friend being uneasy about "dobbing on of her own in" also needs to get out this mindset....
I lodged an official complaint a few years ago after treatment I had received sadly the footage from the custody suite was "lost" but I did receive a written apology from them and they accepted most (but not all) of my complaint to be true. The officer has since been moved from the area after a string of similar complaints.
I lodged an official complaint a few years ago after treatment I had received sadly the footage from the custody suite was "lost" but I did receive a written apology from them and they accepted most (but not all) of my complaint to be true. The officer has since been moved from the area after a string of similar complaints.
ponynutz
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He sounds like a wanker and should definitely report him but I'm really not sure why friend was shaking her head?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
What extra training over and above passing the basic driving tests do police officers who drive immediate response vehicles (those who are permitted to use lights and sirens) get?
Wiki suggests that they are 'trained and permitted to disregard certain traffic laws and use the siren'. Are they fully trained and qualified Advanced Drivers?
I was nearly taken out by a police car in a head on on a blind bend on a notoriously dangerous narrow NSL A road near here. It was dark and the police car fully crossed over the double white lines into my path. That is not what they teach at advanced driving school. I should have reported it, but didn't, it was before we got dash cam.
Wiki suggests that they are 'trained and permitted to disregard certain traffic laws and use the siren'. Are they fully trained and qualified Advanced Drivers?
I was nearly taken out by a police car in a head on on a blind bend on a notoriously dangerous narrow NSL A road near here. It was dark and the police car fully crossed over the double white lines into my path. That is not what they teach at advanced driving school. I should have reported it, but didn't, it was before we got dash cam.
ElleSkywalkingintheair
As excited as Kitty about to be a bridesmaid
Because in her opinion, as an ex officer with 30 years service including advanced driving, the speed he was driving on that particular road and use of sirens on that road was not called for, whatever job he was responding to. First rule being get there safely and do not endanger the public on your way.
ElleSkywalkingintheair
As excited as Kitty about to be a bridesmaid
Friend said there are different levels of driver allowed to use sirens, and she suspects he was one of the lower levels as his driving was not of the standard she'd expect for an advanced driver. They are allowed to disregard certain rules and speed limits, but not to drive in such a way that endangers the public. It's not a green light to drive where and however they like because they have their sirens on
cauda equina
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If he was driving in a manner not permitted for his level it was extra stupid to draw attention to himself by ticking off your friend
I bet he wouldn't have done it if he'd known who he was dealing with; which makes reporting him all the more important
I bet he wouldn't have done it if he'd known who he was dealing with; which makes reporting him all the more important
TPO
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Aside for being angry at the police man I'm getting annoyed at your friend.
She's ex police, that man wasn't a colleague of hers, she knows the rules and standards better than anyone yet she's considering letting him away with a blatant misuse of power because of some misplaced loyalty to the police service? Any loyalty to thr service would be better spent weeding twerps like him out of the force!
I wouldn't be waiting for her to check her misplaced loyalties and would report asap
She's ex police, that man wasn't a colleague of hers, she knows the rules and standards better than anyone yet she's considering letting him away with a blatant misuse of power because of some misplaced loyalty to the police service? Any loyalty to thr service would be better spent weeding twerps like him out of the force!
I wouldn't be waiting for her to check her misplaced loyalties and would report asap
MuddyMonster
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Well he sounds a delight doesn't he? Glad you & ponies are all OK.
Hopefully he's reported and gets some robust feedback that makes him think twice in the future.
Hopefully he's reported and gets some robust feedback that makes him think twice in the future.
blitznbobs
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Its not a crime in this country to express an opinion (rightly or wrongly) head shaking at most is passive agressive - hardly threatening to a police officer - his reaction was way over the top- if complain with full details as its likely given his actions he wasnt on the way to an urgent job and was using his blues against the guidelines … doubt it will do much other than getting him a bollocking but it might just make him think twice for the next person who might just be the kid he probably thought you were
TheOldTrout
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I'm not sure I'd notice someone on a horse shaking their head as I drove past them, I'd be looking at the road and the horse's legs to make sure all were safe. Was he paying enough attention to drive safely?
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
I bet he thought it was a couple of “girls” on ponies and a soft target.
ihatework
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Very worrying behaviour from a police officer and I’d say your friend is almost obliged to report this. Sounds like he is in the job for the power trip and that could go very wrong at some point.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
I’m pretty horrified at the people defending him and criticising members of the public for complaining about police officers. We’ve all seen what happens when people in the job ignore the warning signs and one of their own goes on to commit truly heinous crimes.
There are systems in place for weeding out silly complaints and false accusations - nobody should feel uncomfortable about making a complaint, and poor behaviour by a serving officer simply should not be tolerated.