Just dont know whats wrong! :(

beeswax said:
I wasnt going to post but after reading some of the replies from the OP i cant keep quiet any longer, for a pelvic fracture/hip fracture there doesnt need to be heat in the lower part of the leg, also the vet through palpation over the pelvic musculature will be able to see if there is resistance or pain, he/she would then xray/scan which may not show a callous for a good few days and then xray/scan again and a callous would show up, in the meantime the vet would suggest box rest, stable bandage and possibly no bute if the horse does not appear to be in pain as this could give an incorrect diagnosis. PLEASE call a vet otherwise you are causing your horse unnecessary suffering which could be construed as abuse. Good luck!!
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If the horse has a fracture of its pelvis or hip, it would be extremely lame. It is impossible to xray the pelvis of a horse unless it is upside down under GA because the muscle mass over the pelvis is too great to obtain xrays which is why they have to be upside down, as the muscle mass is a lot less underneath the pelvis. Now that nuclear scintigraghy is used this is the diagnostic tool that is used for horses with suspected pelvic fractures and also ultrasound can sometimes pick up fractures, but the images are not great due the amount of muscle. Rectal examinations are also used. X ray under GA is hardly ever used any more, as it is conra indicated for horses with suspected pelvic fractures as they could be worstened on recovery.
 
Hello Everyone, I do have to laugh now! I feel i have to explain myself to you lot which i hate to do! My horse is 17 he, used to be jumped over puisannce fences when he was younger and has jumped round hicksted over 1.50 tracks many times! He is a very happy healthy 17 year old and just fine now lol! I had my back lady yesterday who confirmed what the vet said, she believes him to have arthritus and when he fell he ruptured the bone! he is now picking up his leg as normal, i have been riding him and he is showing no sign of lameness that i can see! Cracked pelvis or a fractured one he would not be walking yet alone playing in the field quite hapily with his friends like a two year old! No alarm bells will ring with me until he falls again, if he ever does. There were kids playing on little bikes on the yard that day so anything could have triggered it! I'm not going to worry anymore, the vet did not need to spend more than 10 minutes because like i said in the forum title "i just dont know whats wrong" because there is nothing wrong! I've done everything right by him and i LOVE him more than anything in this world, if there was any doubt in my mind he wasn't right i would do more, but he looks fine to me and this leg thing is just him being a drama queen! If you lot think i am wrong i know he's ok and that what matters as he is not any of yours! Sorry if any of you find this rude but i have had so many rude commest coming from all of you which is just horrible! Some commets have been lovely thankyou, but as for the others you must be very sad miserable people to be so harsh to someone that was so low and worried. I was just asking for some constructive advice which i took on board and used, and your still acting like a lynch mob when i never said i wasn't going to take the advice! It's quite sad!
 
sizz said:
If your vet cannot diagnose or you are unhappy about the diagnosis, ask for the horse to be referred, I appreciate that this horse is old so probably is not insured. What is the point of getting a back person to look at horses without getting the vets opinion first ! The back is a huge structure and if there is a problem there it probably stems from the way that the horse is moving i.e it may be lame. If there is a problem with the back itself without any other problems lower down, it is usually a little more than muscle spasm which I very much doubt that a' back lady' can put right ! Have more faith in your vets, but remember they re as human as we are, and they are sometimes wrong, but so are we as owners !
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He is fully insured with the maximum amount for his vet bills, i would never not have insurance with what we do together! and the vet referred me to a different back lady who asked their permission and she said the same thankyou for your advice! :)
 
misst said:
OMG I would also be looking for another vet. 10 minutes - what did the vet do in 10 minutes. Mine takes that long to talk to me and just look the horse over never mind trot up/lunge/flexion test etc. Mine would have been there at least half an hour. As cptrayes said, the point for me, would be an big older horse apparently falling flat over for no obvious reason onto concrete. I would also question if he is "always" 1/10 lame why has this never been investigated? He is probably in pain. I am glad your vet thinks it is nothing serious but something sounds wrong somewhere. I have a 27yo and if she had these problems I would still be getting them investigated.
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Why would you investigate a horse that is competly happy with what he is doing, shows no signs of pain whats the point! The vet said she could do x rays and she beieved she would find many problems, there are plenty of horses out there that are 1 tenth lame and in full work, she said when he stops that is when i will see more of a problem but as long as he is happy to carry on then dont stop! The lamesness is that slight only a vet can see it and my friend who is a vetinaty nurse, i cant and nor can the 15 other people that are on my yard! There is no point doing a flexion test on a horse that old as none of them would trot up sound please find me one that would!
 
BigRed said:
I don't like to worry you, but the horse that I owned for 10 years, very suddenly fell over one day and it was neurological. I had to have her pts the following day. She had a problem in her neck and apparently could no longer control her hind legs. It came on extremely fast and she was not lame, but she would get her legs tangled and fall. So long as she was thinking about it, she was OK.

So please get your vet out.
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Exactly the same happened to my lad :( He fell over a couple of times whilst hooning round the field. He wasn't lame at this stage & was still out competing with success, we put the falls down to him slipping as he turned too fast. It wasn't until a few months later that he fell again & couldn't control his back end that we discovered it wasn't the fall that did the damage it was the problem in his neck that made him fall in the first place!!
 
I am sorry you feel people have been rude to you, but you really need to re-read your own post. When you post saying that you don't know what is wrong, your horse fell over and is now in discomfort and can't pick up his leg, it's not rude if people advise you to get the vet. If you have now decided you are no longer worried, there is nothing wrong, good for you and for your horse, but other people are not mind readers.

What is a 'ruptured bone' anyway? A 'rupture' is a break, did your physio say your horse has a broken bone but all is well? You can see why people are confused with this thread.

Having said you think he is sound, you are now saying your vet thinks he is 1/10 lame, which one is it? A lameness does not disappear because lay people cannot see it! If the vet sees a lameness your horse is lame. You then need to decide whether you want to investigate further to find the cause, whether you want to start any treatment or modify his work regime, etc. however you can't decide he is sound.
 
Booboos said:
I am sorry you feel people have been rude to you, but you really need to re-read your own post. When you post saying that you don't know what is wrong, your horse fell over and is now in discomfort and can't pick up his leg, it's not rude if people advise you to get the vet. If you have now decided you are no longer worried, there is nothing wrong, good for you and for your horse, but other people are not mind readers.

What is a 'ruptured bone' anyway? A 'rupture' is a break, did your physio say your horse has a broken bone but all is well? You can see why people are confused with this thread.

Having said you think he is sound, you are now saying your vet thinks he is 1/10 lame, which one is it? A lameness does not disappear because lay people cannot see it! If the vet sees a lameness your horse is lame. You then need to decide whether you want to investigate further to find the cause, whether you want to start any treatment or modify his work regime, etc. however you can't decide he is sound.
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I agree. I don't think that people were being particularly unkind but simply concerned. The problem is with text is that we don't know your tone of voice, we can't see how worried you really are so can only make certain assumptions. You didn't tell us that there were bikes and kids on the yard that could have spooked him just that he fell.
Reading your OP does sound like a very worrying situation and if it was me and my horse I would have called the vet out. If the vet had only taken 10 mins to examine him I don't think I'd be very satisfied.
Admittedly only you know your horse but people on here sound more concerned for the horses welfare. I hope that he is fine now and its good to hear you are satisfied with the outcome.
 
sizz said:
If the horse has a fracture of its pelvis or hip, it would be extremely lame.
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Sorry Sizz, this is not true. Horses can be sound with hairline fractures, then if they are allowed to do too much the hairline can break completely and THEN they are extremely lame and it is generally too late to save them. It happened to horses belonging to friends of mine (shoulder broken by a kick, pelvis broken while in box overnight, pelvis broken no known cause). None of the horses were very lame but all were eventually put to sleep, the one with the shoulder break simply because it was turned out too soon after it came sound and the hairline fracture broke completely.

I hope your horse is still doing well OP.
 
Sizz - i was giving the OP an example of what a vet could do as per her question, i did write xray/scan, and actually it would be about 4/10 lame to start with then would get worse to about 8-9/10 lame but that would be after a couple of days when a callous would probably show up on scan, anyway i didnt ask for your sarcastic answer, so why dont you just take a giant leap and disappear back where you belong.

Berry and Des you do need to reread your posts, people were not being rude just trying to encourage you in anyway they could to get a vet out.

CPtrayes - thanks at least someone knows what they are talking about.
 
Yes you need to call the vet. By neurological, it doens't have to be a problem with the brain. If you horse has tweaked a nerve in his leg or pelvis it could cause these types of symptoms...almost like shiverers.
 
Over three years ago this same horse come in from the field dragging his hind leg barely walking and it looked like his hip was coming out of his socket! Everyone on the yard was panicing and i was looking at him like i know your putting this on. in the morning he was still doing it and everyone reccomended calling a vet, I did call them but they were unable to advise what it could be over the phone or could even possibly be. So i turned him out in a paddock a little bigger than his stable, and within 5 minutes he had jumped out over the 4" fence! I hope you can see my point a little bit more he is a very clever horse and just does these stupid little things sometimes.
This is why i am reluctant to call a vet with him coz he can be a drama queen! but he is still all good, riding just fine and not showing any other signs of lameness! When the vet came out i was just happy it was not anything serious, he has been off the bute now for 4 days and still great and full of beans! Thanks for all the help everyone, I do understand on here it's not like talking to someone and the words can be mis judged! :)
 
Berry and Des said:
Trolling????
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By trolling I meant someone who posts about something with the intent of winding people up. What I was saying (badly) is I hope your remarks about your horses previous injury are said "tongue in cheek" as they come across as very cavalier. If you read what you wrote I think you will see what I mean.
 
Sorry, but if one of mine came in dragging a hind leg and looking as though their hip was dislocated, I would not have waited until the following day - I would have called a vet there and then. OK they may have suggested waiting until the next day to see how things were, but although I have 50 odd years experience with horses, they are supposed to be the experts and I would have wanted their opinion sooner rather than later. Just me, but sometimes it's better to be safe than sorry. Hope your boy is getting on alright now. :)
 
misst said:
By trolling I meant someone who posts about something with the intent of winding people up. What I was saying (badly) is I hope your remarks about your horses previous injury are said "tongue in cheek" as they come across as very cavalier. If you read what you wrote I think you will see what I mean.
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Like i said earlier it's hard to take how people say things when you are not speaking. I'm not like that was just letting you all know he is ok, and you quoted that i said he has stopped doing the funny leg thing, what was wrong with me saying that! Sorry if you took offence or believe me to be a troll lol i dont know how your finding what i am saying offencive or provocative, but your entitled to your opinion. Thanks for the comments earlier, dont really know what you want me to say. This thread had gone on way too long now! He's fine and thats all that matters! :)
 
steadyneddy said:
Sorry, but if one of mine came in dragging a hind leg and looking as though their hip was dislocated, I would not have waited until the following day - I would have called a vet there and then. OK they may have suggested waiting until the next day to see how things were, but although I have 50 odd years experience with horses, they are supposed to be the experts and I would have wanted their opinion sooner rather than later. Just me, but sometimes it's better to be safe than sorry. Hope your boy is getting on alright now. :)
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Please dont judge me, he honestly is quite a strange horse and i dont really take any of his acts seriously as he does put it on. That was just an example like i said the next morning he was fine and jumped out the paddock after still doing it the next day! lol, this new problem that this whole thread has been about, was ok since last Monday as he has been sound ever since! I cant believe how long its gone on for :)
 
First and foremost, he is a HORSE, not a HUMAN. So stop putting human values on him.
Horses don't know the first meaning of 'putting it on'.
Do you seriously believe that a prey animal is going to pretend that it can't put it's foot to the floor???????
If a horse is lame, it's because there is a problem, not because it is 'putting it on.
 
Your horse has my sympathy and I sincerely hope he gets better.
Horses aren't capable of pretending but they are capable of working on despite pain or even broken bones.

On the 18th you say "Why would you investigate a horse that is competly happy with what he is doing, shows no signs of pain "

On the 21st you say " he has been off the bute now for 4 days "

Maybe he wasn't showing signs of pain because he was on bute.

What's a " ruptured" bone ? Is it a broken bone ?

"He is fully insured with the maximum amount for his vet bills, i would never not have insurance with what we do together! "
If you have all that insurance why not get an investigation at a proper vet hospital ? It won't cost you.

I do hope you will have this fully investigated for your horses sake , he seems to have had a great career he deserves the best treatment now.
 
lhotse said:
First and foremost, he is a HORSE, not a HUMAN. So stop putting human values on him.
Horses don't know the first meaning of 'putting it on'.
Do you seriously believe that a prey animal is going to pretend that it can't put it's foot to the floor???????
If a horse is lame, it's because there is a problem, not because it is 'putting it on.
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See "putting it on" i can sympathise with. I was working my pony one day in school in trot, all of a sudden pulls up looking like he had broken his leg, refusing to put any weight on it, leg just dangling there, checked foot for stone and area to see if he had trod on anything - nothing. Walked him in - well he hobbled in on 3 legs - called the vet straight away, thinking the worst preparing to say goodbye. Vet came out within 30mins, walked him out - sound, trotted up - sound, put on lunge - sound. Done every possible text - mobile x-ray'd him, all kinds of tests.. nothing wrong at all.

This isnt the first time hes done something, he has previously dropped down like he was shot in field when turning out.. only to find he was ok and just laying there - you try telling that to the 4 people that tried to shift him up out of the gateway to get other horses in, 30mins later gets up and gallops off.

I firmly believe the little bugger done it to get out of work.
 
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They sound exactly the same lol! They are not stupid my horse is very clever sound like yours is too lol! :)
 
Sorry but horses don't 'put on' lameness, they don't think like people they only think like equines.

There are lots of causes of lamenesses that are difficult to pinpoint or diagnose so regardless of what you 'firmly believe', I'm afraid you are wrong.
 
foxy1 said:
Sorry but horses don't 'put on' lameness, they don't think like people they only think like equines.

There are lots of causes of lamenesses that are difficult to pinpoint or diagnose so regardless of what you 'firmly believe', I'm afraid you are wrong.
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well id love to know what was wrong with mine then, cant be hopping lame one minute, then the next absolutely fine.. whats your theory on it then if im so wrong?

As loads of people often say on here just because you dont believe it, doesnt make me wrong. If scientific studies can prove horses dont think like that.. then ill eat my hat.
 
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