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but we are considering putting her to foal, vet said that she would be fine, considering the fact she can't be ridden.

We don't know her breeding, but we think (including some thoughts from here!) she could possibly have some connemara, welsh or tb!! There are possibly lost of faults with her conformation, but i don't know them (don't mind if anyone wants to point them out!!). I'm just interested what you would consider putting her to, wether you would consider putting her in foal and if not why?

these are not the best photos, i'm sorry, I don't often take photos of her.

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She can jump, have seen her fly over 4ft easily
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was unintentional though
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(no one riding though!)

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I didn't even think of putting this down
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She's very quiet, almost as if she doesn't want to be noticed (if that makes sense!), a very kind mare, easy to handle....in her old home she 'fostered' someone elses foal, the mother was only 2 and a bit when she had the foal and Dee seemed to go into mother mode instantly and although she couldn't feed him, she 'taught' him.

Would like to breed something lighter than her, not to fussed about breeding though! Possibly something than would ODE later on??

Do you need anything else about her?

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We're not sure what happened to her, but although we knew she wasn't 100% when we bought her, were told by a few people, vets; osteopaths...etc, that she would be able to be ridden
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bad mistake, but you couldn't fault her personality and mum fell in love, and we were possibly a little naive (sp) with buying our first horse. We got her home and i rode her a few times just in walk and she was ok, a little nervous but ok...was able to trot her a few times too. But then she bucked and twisted and i fell off (i haven't actually been able to get back on since). We thought after a few visits from back person she was ok, we starting doing everything slowly with her, and after about 2 months mum was able to sit on her and walk a few steps but Dee then stopped dead and refused to go forward, mum got off and although she had only walked a few steps she was very sweaty. So we left it for a week then tried again and this time she swung away when we tried to put her saddle on. Mum couldn't actually watch her, as she was just plain scared. I know we should persevere but she's 11 now and i don't think it's going to get any better...she's obviously been traumatised but something.

now if you don't believe in people being able to talk to horses don't read on
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We got in contact with a woman, and she told us EXACLTY where Dee's pain was (just as back person had pointed out), she also told us exactly where Dee had cut her head open, i went and looked and there was hair and some tissue from where she had said.

This woman told us that Dee's pain although a little is physical, most is pshycological now and she's not ready to tell her why and go deeper.
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i think for her sake that it's just better if we don't carry on, 'forcing' her to be ridden, she seems perfectly happy, she gets fed and loved!!

the pain is in her shoulders.
 
So the same vets, etc that said she would be fine to ride, and were wrong, are now telling you it is fine to breed from this horse, even though it is uncertain as to what exactly the problem is with her. Doesn't that worry you a bit?

Since she appears to be a fine babysitter, you could consider buying something young and just weaned from good and known breeding that will for certain make the size and shape you want, and use your mare as a turnout companion for it.

I would be very hesitant about breeding from her.
 
not the same vets, I have asked the opinion of 2 different vets around here about wether or not we could breed from her.

When we were told she would be ok, it was the vet and osteopath from where she came from, and the vet here didn't say she would definatly be ridable or not.
 
Are you sure that what stops her being a riding horse is not going to affect her being in-foal. When a mare gets to the last few months, she gets big & heavy. The last thing they need is a back problem, no different to human women really. The photo's IMO dont give enough info on her conformation etc to be able to advise. My last foal was from a mare with unknown breeding. So long as you understand you are taking a huge expensive gamble, then I suggest you get some more photo's done, nr/off side & front/back then people are going to be able to give you a better idea.
 
we're not sure, but after what the vet has said about where the problem is he said it shouldn't affect her, but i was only wondering what stallion people would put her too!!

If in the end we decide to put her to foal (not yet decided!) we will definatly go through all the right checks again, and again just to make sure that she is ok and when vet, back person...etc are happy with her and agree that she is alright to have a foal, then and only then we will procede.


These are the only other photos i can find atm, i will try and get better ones!
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Good luck and I hope she is in fact well enough to carry a foal for you. I may be slightly mad but I would be considering an athletic Arab as a potential husband, which would give you potentially more lightness in bone and movement - and breeding blood to bone would be the right combination as you should most get the dam's temperament
 
What a nice mare. Despite her problem she looks athletic and rather classy. She reminds me -physically & mentally- of a half Quarterhorse mare I once knew and whom I'd just mentioned in the "Stallions-All Huff & Puff" post by Enfys, a little way down the page.

If you bred from her the thing that would worry me would be sending her off to stud or to an A.I. station; would she worry about this? I think I'd deliberately go for A.I. here.

The mare I knew got very, very attached to her foal and wouldn't eat, made herself ill , when separated from her foal at weaning; from what you say I think this one feels things deeply too. I agree, a nice, extrovert, person-oriented arab would be great for her.
 
My initial thoughts when I looked at your photos of this mare, were that she looks like a broodmare. Then reading further down your thread the description you have given of her make me now think very strongly that she has most definitely been a broodmare; her actions are typical of a mare who has been bred and not broken.

It's up to you and your vet to decide whether to breed her or not; if she were mine and I wanted a sj, eventer etc. I'd go for a well balanced, sound-minded TB.

She looks like a Welsh X to me. Good luck.
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Christiamas - I'm pretty sure she has had a foal in the fast, but she was bought from a dealer 4/5 years ago and then 2 years ago we bought her, so all i know is whats happened to ehr in the past 5yrs - not a lot!. We started from scratch with everything, treated her as a youngster..etc but she still didn't want to accept it! Maybe it's beause of her age and she's too set in her ways?

alleycat - I don't think she would mind being away but she would probably go to an AI station, I know our vet put his mare into foal last year so will talk to him about how it all works over here!
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Because she has the bone, I would stick to something pure like TB, Arab or AA. If you want to improve the chances of breeding bigger stick to TB & poss 3/4 AA. She looks a nice mare, so good luck with your choice. Try http://arabianlines.com
There are studs on here standing TB's then there is the Arab we all know about. Try and get to look at the offspring that will help.
 
She is a lovely mare - you must be very fond of her as she sounds very sweet - but you must also be horribly dissapointed about not being able to ride. Breeding can be very, very expensive and very, very heartbreaking. I do not want to sound at all rude or patroniseing so please don't take this the wrong way - but you don't sound hugely experienced and I think she has given you a bit of a fright - and no blame to her if she is sore. If I'd had a few nasty falls I'd have had a bad fright too so no shame in that.

You have plenty of time and 11 is not too old to be rebacked. Will you be spending 5 years not riding until the foal is ready to back and bring on? If so will you be able to cope with riding an inexperienced youngster? If I had not ridden in 5 years a newly backed horse would not be my no 1 choice! If she was mine I would send her to a good trainer who specialises in bringing on youngsters or horses with problems. Someone who will be very patient and kind with her and get her going nicely under saddle for you so you have a horse to ride. If it is physical then you have your answer and no more doubts. If it is psycological then with patience and kindness you may have the riding horse that you initally bought. If it doesn't work out and she isn't ridable then it will be spring by this time and so plenty of time to put her in foal.

You can still dream and look at stallions though! It is fun
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If you are honest with stallion owners about your situation (see thread on this here) and about your mares strengths and weaknesses most stallion owners will be helpful and try and reccommend which of their stallions (if they have a few ) would suit.

There are lots of nice stallions about. As has been mentioned lots of lovely event stallions TB or near TB. Arabs, angloarabs etc also lovely. Trakehner would also be an option to breed an eventer. It is really very much down to personal taste. Many of the people here are very experienced in breeding and hopefully you'll get lots of good advice. If you only want to event at a low level (e.g. RC) then you won't need something ultra fine and ultra fast so do be careful of bloodlines that are on the hot side which may be a bit spookey for you. Maybe a small ISH or even irish draught that is not too heavy may also be nice for her. An ISH with TB blood may lighten her but retain the same irish sort of type and kind nature she already has.

I am a warmblood person myself so don't have any specific suggestions unbles you wanted the trak route!
 
thanks for all that!

Being only 16, I have no experience in breeding at all, neither does my mum!! But i do have 2 other horses to ride, so theres no problem in waitaing 5 years for youngster to be broken and backed! I don't mind something a little 'hotter', although i go through funny patches with my confidence it is normally all there, I have brought on a 4yr old french trotter (that couldn't canter) for my old instructor, have re-trained a nutter of a haflinger, and also had a 24yr old tbx rear upright when she didn't get her own way (quite frequently!). And my horse (french trotter x arab) is not what everyone would have bought as a first horse!! And the newest arrival is a 7yr old very green slightly heavier mare who is quite sppoky and has no confidence!! I've never had the easy rides, always been given something complicated!! And i'm not scared of a challenge!! Have also helped out around stallions, foals..etc and will hopefully going to do some work experience at a stud farm next summer
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Because i live in France, and mare is not fully papered, the foal wouldn't be able to compete any higher than RC (not sure about actual height though
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It's really interesting to see what people would put her too, i actually don't feel silly about saying that i would quite like to put her to an arab now
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thanks everyone
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If we do decide to go down this route then i will definatly be asking lots more questions
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I really didn't mean to be rude or patroniseing! I hope you didn't take it that way
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I am the last person on earth to be able to criticise anyones riding or horsemanship! It was just your comment that she was your first horse and that you didn't get on again after your nasty fall that made me think you didn't have so much experience or horses to ride. That's also why I thought an ISH /irish draught might be worth considering as they are so nice natured and boy can they jump and go across country. My ISH mare won everything xc wise at PC level - better than my full TB.

There is a gorgeous arab stallion owned by a member on this board. Perhaps she could advise on good stallions if you like arabs. They are wonderful horses and very versitile. I know nothing about the French system but how terrible you couldn't compete the foal above RC level. Perhaps a Selle Francais with eventing bloodlines if you are in France? Easy to visit in person for you if no arabs/anglos/TB's you like about!

Whatever you do good luck. Any chance you can research her past and see any of her other foals. Maygive you some good ideas.
 
Don't worry, i read it back and it did come across as if i didn't have much experience at all!! I don't normally feel as though i come across like that! Maybe because i don't know anything about breding, other than it's not something that should be taken lightly!

He is gorgeous!!

I think maybe i need to find out more about the french system, talk to someone at the 'haras nationaux' and the vet tofind out how it all works...then we can see!! It may not be next year, and as you said she's only 11!!

As far as i've understood i couldn't compete the foal above RC, but I could be wrong. I just knew i needed a horse with papers if i wanted to compete any higher than 1m!

Don't know anything about her past, and i don't think theres any way of reasearching it.

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Someone here may know about the french system and there's another really lovely board that is mainly UK expats living in France. They will be able to advise you on the paperwork stuff and if you can compete and may know suitable stallions close to you. Don't feel right promoting another forum on this site so will PM you the link. Maybe there is an open breed soc where you can have her inspected and get a breeding licence if that is what required. I understood passports in France for horses are compulsory shortly but maybe this is diff from breeding papers? Any stallion reg with a breed soc should get you part bred papers for his breed soc so maybe that would be sufficient?

Lots of research to keep you busy but its one of the lovely things about breeding.
 
If you live in France you will have no problems finding a very nice AA Hollycat has made valid points. It is difficult with these kinds of posts, because we are not always privy to all the info, therefore it makes it difficult to make judgements. I just assume that anyone wanting to breed must have thought out all the implications etc. There is no shortage of these posts. What you do need to keep in mind is the gamble you will be taking from using a mare with unknown breeding. It is a big enough lottery as it is, you will have doubled it. Having said that if you are lucky enough to breed something 1/2 decent then there is never a better feeling, especially when they come under saddle. Their early days are the most important, you are responsible for how they go about life. There will always be the few that even with good handling & a good start will always be a bit hot under saddle, but in the main it is humans that are to blame when things go wrong. I wish you all the best. If you do breed let us know who you choose.
 
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