arwenplusone
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KWPN - by Garanco (Jasper), out of a ster mare. 16.1hh - super jump but not much extension in her paces - quite shortbacked (but that's how I like 'em
Not ready to breed from her just yet but if I was?
Just for fun - what stallion for this mare?
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KWPN - by Garanco (Jasper), out of a ster mare. 16.1hh - super jump but not much extension in her paces - quite shortbacked (but that's how I like 'em
Not ready to breed from her just yet but if I was?
TFS
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i just want too say i LOVE her!!lol just my type!!
S_N
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Gosh with a really lovely mare like that, you could breed to anything you wanted to!!
You just have to ascertain a) a budget, b) what you want the foal to do and c) any breed preferences you may have, lines you would like to follow/try etc....
You just have to ascertain a) a budget, b) what you want the foal to do and c) any breed preferences you may have, lines you would like to follow/try etc....
arwenplusone
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hmm ok, no more than £1000 stud fee. Would want foalie for SJ. Probably breed to KWPN or other WB studbook.
Or maybe inject some more TB? I like a WB/TB mix.
I'd like to breed a liver chestnut! Lol.
(fat chance)
Thanks for the nice comments about the mare btw.
Or maybe inject some more TB? I like a WB/TB mix.
I'd like to breed a liver chestnut! Lol.
Thanks for the nice comments about the mare btw.
S_N
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Jaguar Mail?
Faithkat
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Carnaval Drum (and he's liver chestnut) or his son Carnaval Pleasure
http://www.pembershill.com/carnaval_drum.htm
http://www.pembershill.com/carnaval_pleasure.htm
http://www.pembershill.com/carnaval_drum.htm
http://www.pembershill.com/carnaval_pleasure.htm
arwenplusone
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ooo - Now I'm not so keen on the SF but I saw him in action at Hickstead and was pretty impressed.
Wasn't Headley Brittania bred to him this year? Will have to keep an eye out for the foal!
Wasn't Headley Brittania bred to him this year? Will have to keep an eye out for the foal!
S_N
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I know what you mean about SF's, but I believe that they are are changing breed..... Yes Little Brit was indeed ET'd for 2 JM's for 2008.
I LOVE Brentano II, but he is a dressage sire - though I hear his stock jump too....
Luidam?
How correct is your mare from infront/behind? Also what exactly do you mean by a 'bit' of attitude?
I LOVE Brentano II, but he is a dressage sire - though I hear his stock jump too....
Luidam?
How correct is your mare from infront/behind? Also what exactly do you mean by a 'bit' of attitude?
TFS
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sorry just read the first post again regarding her breeding lo
arwenplusone
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She's very correct I'd say (may be a bit biased though! lol). Moves very straight. At a real push I would say she has the tiniest bit of unlevelness (is that a word?) in her offside hind but that is a shoeing issue more than anything IMO
Possibly a wee bit close in front but she's only just 5 atm so that might change a bit. And she's very close coupled but I don't see that as a fault (!)
As for the attitude - she's a little workshy and can be argumentative, -plus she's VERY mareish but I have just had her diagnosed with Endometriosis (sp) so that could be the cause!
Luidam I like very much and I think he has the lucky boy line which I have in my other mare who I bred last (and this) year so that would fit quite nicely.
TFS - Very Nice! But maybe just a little too thickset for my girl? And at 3 yr old he won't have done much (I'd be breeding to sell).
ETA - She's a lovely mare to handle and she jumps like an angel but is a bit of a teenager atm - if I thought it was anything more sinister I wouldn't breed from her.
Possibly a wee bit close in front but she's only just 5 atm so that might change a bit. And she's very close coupled but I don't see that as a fault (!)
As for the attitude - she's a little workshy and can be argumentative, -plus she's VERY mareish but I have just had her diagnosed with Endometriosis (sp) so that could be the cause!
Luidam I like very much and I think he has the lucky boy line which I have in my other mare who I bred last (and this) year so that would fit quite nicely.
TFS - Very Nice! But maybe just a little too thickset for my girl? And at 3 yr old he won't have done much (I'd be breeding to sell).
ETA - She's a lovely mare to handle and she jumps like an angel but is a bit of a teenager atm - if I thought it was anything more sinister I wouldn't breed from her.
S_N
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Right OK - well you may have noticed that all the stallions I have chosen are chestnut, trying to get that liver chestnut for you
What about Catherston Springsteen? Bruce is GORGEOUS!!! I used to look after him and I loved him!! Such a doll to handle in the stable!! Amazing freedom of paces - I'd almost forget to get him to work when lunging him, as was too busy gawping
He also comes from a jumping family - his dam was Grade B and his grand dam (dam's dam) was an international Sjer! He has an awesome jump too!! If I had the right mare, I'd breed to him in a heartbeat! B is not the right mare for him though IMO - they both flick in their LF legs and she can be sharp and he can be too...... Both in a managable way though....
http://www.catherstonstud.net/catherston_stud.htm
http://www.catherstonstud.net/catherston_stud.htm
TayloredEq
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As this is just for fun I think I might be a little bit cheeky!!! How about my stallion? - Valeur R.
He's by Fidermark, out of a Darlington mare. He is a dressage horse, (KWPN), moves very free and loose so could perhaps help to add a little extension into the foal.
Having said that he is a dressage horse he scored 9.5/10 for loose jumping technique in the BEF evaluation as a 4 year old and 9/10 at his grading with SHGB this year, as a 5 year old.
I have a pici of him as a 4 year old on my website (www.tayloredequestrian.com) or there are some more on the Twemlows page, google "twemlows" or "stallion AI services" and then click on Valeur R in the stallion list. He can also be found on the pleasure prints site under the photos for the grading. I would put direct links in, but I'm new to this and don't know how yet!!
He's by Fidermark, out of a Darlington mare. He is a dressage horse, (KWPN), moves very free and loose so could perhaps help to add a little extension into the foal.
Having said that he is a dressage horse he scored 9.5/10 for loose jumping technique in the BEF evaluation as a 4 year old and 9/10 at his grading with SHGB this year, as a 5 year old.
I have a pici of him as a 4 year old on my website (www.tayloredequestrian.com) or there are some more on the Twemlows page, google "twemlows" or "stallion AI services" and then click on Valeur R in the stallion list. He can also be found on the pleasure prints site under the photos for the grading. I would put direct links in, but I'm new to this and don't know how yet!!
Hollycat
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GORGEOUS mare. What are her dam's bloodlines? That's one of the most important considerations! I would go for the best stallion money can buy that compliments her. Look at the breeding indicies for the stallions you are interested in - which stallion has an idice that is way above average in producing show jumpers - the KWPN has all of this info for breeders. It will also ensure resale value if the foal is not what you want. Look at her mothers background - how many titled mares aRe in there and who are there sires? Phone her breeder and ask what his stock crosses best with. Most breeders are delighted to chat about their horses and make reccommendations. Some lines 'knot' really well together. Also go on some of the KWPN breeding forums - they will have good reccommendations.
I know nothing about SJ breeding, but these are the stallions I like within your budget:
Heartbreaker - proven producer, v high index - 168
Burggraff - proven producer - v high index
Concorde - 2004 KWPN horse of the year
Ustinov - nice young stallion - more lightweight
Van Gough - lightweight, KWPN Stallion Performance Champion 2005
So some of the proven old boys and some of the more modern, lightweight young contenders.
I know nothing about SJ breeding, but these are the stallions I like within your budget:
Heartbreaker - proven producer, v high index - 168
Burggraff - proven producer - v high index
Concorde - 2004 KWPN horse of the year
Ustinov - nice young stallion - more lightweight
Van Gough - lightweight, KWPN Stallion Performance Champion 2005
So some of the proven old boys and some of the more modern, lightweight young contenders.
Anastasia
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Very nice mare and some good suggestions above. On the following sires:
Heartbreaker - proven producer, v high index - 168 -
Actually his price comes out at over £1k as you have 19% Dutch tax on top - plus you mare has to go to Nijhofs in Holland as the semen is not the best quality. Also his stock have attitude, so if your mare is already argumentative then perhaps not the best choice
Burggraff - proven producer - v high index
Definately produces the jump, stock can be quite heavy, would suit a lightweight mare. Stock can look quite plain. Gives good ridable horses
Van Gough - lightweight, KWPN Stallion Performance Champion 2005
We had a Van Gogh filly born this year. Very nice filly but I would not put the mare back to him because I think Van Gogh would suit a heavier type of mare and he does not improve at all on movement. Also the filly is quirky, so again if your mare is already like this then perhaps not the best choice.
Heartbreaker - proven producer, v high index - 168 -
Actually his price comes out at over £1k as you have 19% Dutch tax on top - plus you mare has to go to Nijhofs in Holland as the semen is not the best quality. Also his stock have attitude, so if your mare is already argumentative then perhaps not the best choice
Burggraff - proven producer - v high index
Definately produces the jump, stock can be quite heavy, would suit a lightweight mare. Stock can look quite plain. Gives good ridable horses
Van Gough - lightweight, KWPN Stallion Performance Champion 2005
We had a Van Gogh filly born this year. Very nice filly but I would not put the mare back to him because I think Van Gogh would suit a heavier type of mare and he does not improve at all on movement. Also the filly is quirky, so again if your mare is already like this then perhaps not the best choice.
Hollycat
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I think the beauty of these forums is the expertise of posters like Ana (above) that know the real ins and outs of the stallions as opposed to what we see on the stud cards and what the breeders tell us.
Ana is right, I admit Heartbreaker is a little over budget at £1225 for frozen or chilled. He was so nice I thought it was worth mentioning though! Interesting to know that its better to take mares for live cover - not advertised on the stud card I saw! Stallions vary so much. I know with Krack C he had a really bad rep with frozen when he was competing hard, but when he was collected when he was in light work the semen quality improved dramatically so I was told. So there many variables to condiser but a lot to lose if you get it wrong and end up with no foal and a year of missed breeding.
There are so many gorgeous stallions out there that chooseing is very difficult, but the inside knowledge from experienced breeders like Ana certainly helps to narrow it down. Some stallions win loads themselves but semen quality is poor and they just don't reproduce what you hope they will. There's also a MASSIVE element of luck too! I picked an elite stallion for my mare afer boring many breeding forums to death with questions - however she produced a stallion prospect as her first foal which was then exported from the UK to Canada so worth the hassle I gave everyone! He will go forward for his warmblood grading next year so fingers crossed he passes.
Ana is right, I admit Heartbreaker is a little over budget at £1225 for frozen or chilled. He was so nice I thought it was worth mentioning though! Interesting to know that its better to take mares for live cover - not advertised on the stud card I saw! Stallions vary so much. I know with Krack C he had a really bad rep with frozen when he was competing hard, but when he was collected when he was in light work the semen quality improved dramatically so I was told. So there many variables to condiser but a lot to lose if you get it wrong and end up with no foal and a year of missed breeding.
There are so many gorgeous stallions out there that chooseing is very difficult, but the inside knowledge from experienced breeders like Ana certainly helps to narrow it down. Some stallions win loads themselves but semen quality is poor and they just don't reproduce what you hope they will. There's also a MASSIVE element of luck too! I picked an elite stallion for my mare afer boring many breeding forums to death with questions - however she produced a stallion prospect as her first foal which was then exported from the UK to Canada so worth the hassle I gave everyone! He will go forward for his warmblood grading next year so fingers crossed he passes.
Anastasia
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Thank you Hollycat for your nice comments.
Breeding can be such a lottery as you pointed out. We are fortunate that we have seen many offspring by a lot of stallions and bred to a few ourselves. We also have many friends who are breeders in Holland and Germany, so we listen a lot to how crosses have gone that they have used.
You are correct about Krack C with the semen. Nobody in the USA could get his semen at all when he was competing so much. We bred a colt that we then sold to Canada as it was the only way people could get any of his offspring, and that was only 3 years ago.
There are several stallions where rumours are that their semen quality has not been great, a couple of examples are Heartbreaker (hence why mares have to go to Henk & Jeanette), Berlin, Numero Uno and I have also heard that about Arko. Then you have the stallion that most dressage enthusiasts would love to use, i.e. Florencio I, but his semen is EVA positive. This is not considered anything major in Europe, but a big "No No" for the UK and USA.
Its also trial and error, and lets put it this way, if breeding was guaranteed then you would see several full brothers or sisters to the likes of Sandro Hit or the late Argentinus, and I am sure those breeders tried the same combination again......
Some combinations work time and again, for instance the Caletto, Calypso and Welt Hit sons.......
Hollycat wishing you all the best with the colt you bred, will be exciting times ahead for you.....
Breeding can be such a lottery as you pointed out. We are fortunate that we have seen many offspring by a lot of stallions and bred to a few ourselves. We also have many friends who are breeders in Holland and Germany, so we listen a lot to how crosses have gone that they have used.
You are correct about Krack C with the semen. Nobody in the USA could get his semen at all when he was competing so much. We bred a colt that we then sold to Canada as it was the only way people could get any of his offspring, and that was only 3 years ago.
There are several stallions where rumours are that their semen quality has not been great, a couple of examples are Heartbreaker (hence why mares have to go to Henk & Jeanette), Berlin, Numero Uno and I have also heard that about Arko. Then you have the stallion that most dressage enthusiasts would love to use, i.e. Florencio I, but his semen is EVA positive. This is not considered anything major in Europe, but a big "No No" for the UK and USA.
Its also trial and error, and lets put it this way, if breeding was guaranteed then you would see several full brothers or sisters to the likes of Sandro Hit or the late Argentinus, and I am sure those breeders tried the same combination again......
Hollycat wishing you all the best with the colt you bred, will be exciting times ahead for you.....