Just goes to show you cannot trust a dog all the time :(

did anybody notice the ridiculously tense and restrictive grip the handler had on the dogs collar?! Would have played a not insignificant role in the outcome.
 
Broodle said:
I don't disagree Spudlet, and the puppy training classes I attended never touched on body language at all. But I still think there wasn't enough warning from that dog before he bit, and that makes him dangerous.
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there was warning if you are aware of body language, watch his lips tighten at times for example, very subtle of course but if you don't understand these subtle signs then don't stick your face in to the face of a dog you don't know. A lot of breeds don't growl before attack, they give very subtle signals, that is the danger with some breeds. I saw a little boy go up to a young staffie which wsa tied up (yeah I know) outside the supermarket, the parent was standing 10 metres away and stood and watched. I was just about to say to the dad when the little one bent down and the dog launched at him. Just missed him but more by good luck than anything else. I said to the dad that the dog was threatened by the kid as he was about to kick off. No harm done, but stupid owner and stupid dad, could have been a disaster for both.
 
IMO its classic big bull breed body language, the warnings subtle but won't be pushed around and have personal space invaded :( I have seen similar language in some rotties and mastiffs that we had at work, generally nervous dogs in stressful situations but handlers have to be able to read the dog to prevent mishap :(

In my view it was a warning snap, not a bite. If it was an intended bite she would not have been walking off and talking :(

I personally love the Dogo and if I ever live in a country where I can legally own one I would :)
 
My dog, staffy x lab, has done this to one of my friends, not a full on bite just teeth on face as a warning to back off. My friend is loud in your face person and lent over him to make a fuss of him as he was laying down, he nipped her as she was scaring him, his body language was telling her but she didn't see it. She agreed it was her fault rather than the dog's but blow me a year later, she does the same thing despite me telling her not to!
Some people just don't read the signs do they.
 
My friend did the same to my mongrel when I was about 13/14, everyone knew the dog was "funny" and he was sat by my side minding his own when she decided to fuss him. Hands were ok. But I still say "careful ***** he's a funny dog"

Then she decides to say
"Oh wolfie isn't nasty is he" *flubbles chops "grrr grrr"
He bit through her nose, up through her top lip and met in the middle.
 
It seems to be an automatic response from most people. I too was taught to never put my face next to a strange dog. Ever.

I do find that children completely ignore me telling me not to put their face next to any of my dogs. Very luckily the eldest one is very useful I teaching them why they shouldn't do it. Once they have had a Stafford stick her tongue in their mouth they do think more carefully..

Idiotic of the presenter, but even more idiotic of the handler who put everyone at risk.
 
You dont need a warning. Just have a little animal knowledge and you know not to put your head near the jaws of any animal. Its often their only form of defence.

Its funny how you hear of all these dog attacks from a loyal family pet in their own homes. Pity the dogs cant speak and say what really happend.
 
I watched the clip last night at home - didn't think it was particularly clear so maybe not overly obvious what the dog's warning signs were just from watching that short clip. From what you can see the dog did not look comfortable with the woman being so close though. We don't see the clip from the beginning so you can't see whether the dog went to her for attention and to be fussed but from that clip it looks like the presenter moved to the dog and not vice versa and the dog appears to be trapped essentially/back in to a corner (on this case the sofa). She is over-fussing near his face - many dogs do not like this anyway, certainly not from a stranger and why on earth did she feel the need to put her face near!? What sort of idiot does that to a stranger dog?

I would never do that, not matter what size the dog was and also, would wait for the dog to come in to my space, I would not invade the dog's space. Eye contact like that is very intimidating for a nervous dog and is confrontational. That dog gave her a warning snap in my mind. I didn't have any sound on so wasn't sure if there was any growl/grumble prior to that.
 
If a stranger did this to Dex (especially if it was a man) Dex would get hold of their wrist. Odd that neither handler said "please give my dog some blumming space"
 
I work with dogs and agree it looks uncomfortable but in a subtle bull breed, keep out of my space I'm just about tolerating you but that's it, kind of way, and also agree that what the woman did was totally stupid BUT that was a fairly aggressive warning snap, it's not like she was doing something unpleasant to the dog, what if it was a child in the park that just happened to be at face level to it?
I think the point is that it's not so much the dogs fault but if the owner can't recognise that the dog is likely to perform such actions and not do anything to avoid the situation occurring, he is basically walking round with a dangerous weapon and disaster will not be far behind.
I have no problems with owners of potentially dangerous dogs, if they realise that their dog is likely to behave in such a way, are prepared to control the dog in such a way that no one else gets hurt etc but naive owners like this should not be allowed to own such dogs IMHO
My soppy gsd doesn't like big unknown men stroking his head, he wouldn't snap like that but would back away and possibly growl, hence I would be very careful in any situation where that might arise and manage it accordingly, certainly not by having a vice like grip on his collar and forcing him to take it.
 
The signs were there, though the dog quickly upped the anti. It was a snap, not a bite, but with such a big dog in such close quarters, is always going to cause a lot of damage. Think the owner and presenter need shooting.
 
smiggy said:
....... what if it was a child in the park that just happened to be at face level to it?
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"In the park", the dog would have most probably taken the exit route, and turned away. With its back against a sofa, AND considering the clown who was holding it, the poor creature did what all of mine would have done.

The fault lies with the upright thing on the end of the lead, it doesn't lie with the dog.

Alec.
 
An alien environment, an unfamiliar and inexperienced handler and a stranger fawning over you and trying too hard, it was inevitable. Poor dog. I wish the injured lady a speedy recovery. For me, the responsiblity lies with the owners who allowed their dog to be exposed to such a situation.
 
Alec Swan said:
"In the park", the dog would have most probably taken the exit route, and turned away. With its back against a sofa, AND considering the clown who was holding it, the poor creature did what all of mine would have done.

The fault lies with the upright thing on the end of the lead, it doesn't lie with the dog.

Alec.
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Yes but that's the point I was trying to make, you or I would allow the dog to find an exit route, in this case the uptight thing on the end of the lead would probably stand there like an ijit holding dog firmly by collar while said child blew raspberry on its face
Just seems like an unexplored bomb really
 
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